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That's an interesting question.  Most people might think that thoughts are mearly consisted of audio and imagination.   I would add the other senses too.  Anything that keeps the mind occupied is considered to be a thought.  The gaps are the times when you mentally space out, even though you may be physically busy.  It's important to take a little time out and define this. It's such a fine line dividing the two!

Don't be surprised if you don't get a lot of other replies.  Mobius is just TOO good! What a complete and satisfying reply!   Robert Bruce brings up a plethura of unknown concepts. He's the author of Astral Dynamics which is huge, but when you're done reading, you're going to wish the book was twice as big.  He reports what he actually experiences. Everything is true. No guess work.   Welcome to the forum.

If you want to experience a WILD, all you have to do is have a disciplined imagination.  Since a wake induced lucid dream happens as a transition from waking to sleep.  Just hold an image study in your mind as you fall asleep.  If you need tips for a regular lucid dream, doing reality checks is the best way to go.  All you really need to do is build up that habit, so you'll start doing it in dreams.

I had this exact thought a while back.  I was thinking that old people may seem crazy, but they're the opposite.  Collecting all the years of intelligence and experience. It's one of those things that we can only guess about until we're actually old enough to go through it.  They really don't get as much respect as they deserve!

I understand this concept now.  It wouldn't make sense that they can sustain form from plain energy. They probably can take energy from things, but it has nowhere to go.  They take etheric energy/matter to have a substance.  I was wondering something, but I don't think anyone can answer my curiousity.  What happens when a neg can't find a host and withers away?  Will it just stop existing? Will it go back to another dimension?  Maybe this is too much to ask!

Ok, thanks for writing back. I was thinking that all spirit forms without a body have an etheric body and a double( the complete form).    ...So the etheric body breaks down in a week.  Are you sure?

Tom, I can see your point.  I could understand that they are just hanging around out of habit, laziness or whatever.  That still doesn't answer my question.  If live creatures (with bodies) take energy from earth and air, why can't negs also independantly do the same? This leads me to beleive that it must be something in a body to allow us to soak up energy.      ...This is probably in the book, since Bruce is always so thorough. I've only read about 80 pages so far.

Patty, Hello again! It's so refreshing to type of dreaming. I come to this forum often, because I read Bruce's book. I have't had a concsious projection yet, so I feel right at home in the dream section.  I could write forever with the questions you've asked.  I guess you've recieved some impressive feedback about this dream. Do you shop a lot? That reminds me of Bruce's suggested exersize for a WILD projection. Are you aware of that technique? ...Write back and I'll tell you about it if you want.             Ok!    Dreams and OBEs:  Lately I've been having awesome dreams, and refuse to believe they are meerly imagination.  Lately my lucid dreams have quickly turned into projections.  When I wake up and think about it, it doesn't seem likely that it was a projection. So I must have been having a dream about it.  Considering the mind split, I now believe that these dreams are the dreamers perception of an OBE.  We project every night. If we're not concsious of them, or don't remember them, we could surely see signs of them in dreams.  Well, I would like to continue researching these ideas. Plus I'm not sure if dreaming takes place within, or if we travel to dream dimensions.               ...Sorry about the lengthy message!   I just got off work and I'm delerious!        LD

Thanks Adrian! It's really not a big deal. Most of the time I just use the forum. It doesn't take a lot of effort to type the address in. That happened to be a time when I wanted a change of pace and check up on Nita Hickok.  Good stuff!

Patty,    ...First of all, congratulations for having a lucid dream!  The best solution to a dream is answered by the dreamer, don't ya think?  There are many levels of consciousness.  I think this may have been a case where you weren't totally lucid. It might be a good idea to brainstorm the differences between dreams and projection.  I think It's interesting that you chose to keep a story going.  You saw people around you, not only believing they were actual people, but thinking that they must also be dreaming.  I've also had dreams like this. It seems that you may have wanted a projection rather then a dream(asking the meaning of life).  At the end when your friend showed up could mean a few things.  During Lucid dreams one often gets lonely or bored. You could have subconcsiously willed him to be there, (if you think dreams are all from the dreamers mind) OR he could have actually been there (if you believe you were out in a dream dimension).      ...Sorry, I often get carried away when thinking of dreams. I try not to push my beliefs onto people.  After all, it's something I'm still trying to find out as well!

I'm not really sure what you mean.  I've had many lucid dreams.  Most of them are lusty or playful rather than problem solving.  I was thinking about something today. I realized that whenever I get puzzled over something, I'll recieve an answer in my dreams.  I've posted questions on this forum and I'll get an answer the next morning. I don't have an explanation for it. At first I thought I was being helped by dreamwalkers.  It could also be my own persistance.    ...Well, write again and good luck dreaming!

Tom, I can't tell you if it'll work for you or not. I'm basing it on what I like and what I think would be most convenient.  I don't want to annoy you by generally stating my idea, so I'll tell you that it is a watch with an alarm. You can set it to go off as often as you like... every 2,3,4 hours, whatever.  The feature that makes it nice is that it vibrates rather then beeps. I've already found this item, but wouldn't it be nice if it was cheap?!   hmmm

I admire your attitude Koshka!  Have you tried the technique yet?  You'll definantly experience something if you're dedicated to it.  I think it took my friend thirty to forty minutes before to get results.  I have a scrying mirror here, but I never use it. I get spooked out easily, looking into it in the dark.  I made it myself. You might already know of this since you're reading books (but I'll tell you anyway).  I bought a pretty big picture frame. It can be any size you want. Paint one side of the glass black.  Then put the glass back in it's frame glossy/unpainted side out.  This is a little different, because you can look straight into the mirror without a reflection.

Wow!  I admire you guys for taking an effort to understand spirituality in such a short amount of time.  It's only been six months since that tragedy. You are both very brave.  I have read a few of those books: Moody, Brown and Edwards.  I know about the psychomanteum, but never tried it.  I have a friend who scryed into a mirror and talked with his grandmother for a half an hour.  However, you need to be completely relaxed and open in order to percieve someone. Also, you would be using you psychic senses, not your physical senses. Good luck!

Welcome!  It's good to see new people joining!  Great name!  I've never seen Utah, but I'm pretty close. I live in AZ.  ...Well, sorry so short.  I'm sure I'll write again though.

Thank you Tom! I guess others are skipping across this thread, but I'm glad you replied.  I didn't know of the screen saver. That seems a little silly.  I remember that Robert suggested to do reality checks while eating, drinking, using the bathroom,etc.  I never remember to do them at those moments.  I study my dreams and keep a thought in mind to try to become lucid at patterns.  (does that make sense?) So, what I'm saying is that my personal experience with them need to be more then a passing thought, and need to happen during the day to become habitual.  I did find some similar products but nothing like I had in mind (yet). Plus they were expensive.  P.E.S.T. was $150! That's crazy!

Tom, yes I am holding back! I won't deny being the shy one!  The idea came to me last night before falling asleep.  I realized that there are a lot of people who don't practice reality checks (whether they know about them or not).  My product will help put them into play.  Reality checks are great, because they help with dreaming AND projections.  I posted the question earlier because I wasn't sure if the product exists ...still researching it!

Interesting! That sounds like a good deal. Usually for us to project to a person,or his place, we have to personally know him well.  What is he planning to do, give us an address? It's not as easy as it seems, but maybe the elders will try.

Triss!  Welcome to the club!  What you have mentioned seems more like a blessing than a problem.  Whoever brought up the 360 degree vision made a good point. It is a little nausiating and weird at first, but it's something you get used to with practice.  If using the 'hands technique' works for you, you might want to consider keeping it going.  There are other tricks you can use to become lucid.  You can use affirmations and reality checks.  I could go into detail with these, but they're fairly self explanatory.  The main thing about it is to make a habbit out of doing something in waking life and it will carry over in dreams (or in projections).  Work on your memory skills and believe!

Yes! I have also experienced the phenominon.  It's funny ...I haven't mentioned it to a lot of people, because I thought they were flashbacks from a drug!  I am drugfree now,  but you know it's supposed to stay with you.  Anyway, I always see sparklies, particularly, anything that is hit by the sunlight.  These sparklies aren't random.  They take on geometric patterns.  Sometimes it reminds me of an electric spider web ( but not in that shape).  I like to believe that I'm seeing energy patterns.  If you are viewing things in the real time, they take on a liquid look.

Tom, it may have been you who got me reading that book. I'm glad you mentioned it, because he did have some interesting ideas. I like the part about SEEing energy in dreams and locating negs (scouts). However, the rest of the book is crap! He gives the reader hopes of accomplishing this stuff, yet doesn't state how. It's written as a novel, wanting to be a true story. It's obvious that some of the stuff isn't true. Plus, why would you want to use your energy to take your physical body with you? I think traveling as an energy body is just fine.     ...Sorry about going off the subject!

Holographic theory brings back good memories.  I read a book when I was in high school. It was the perfect time to read a book like that, while I was already questioning reality.  Some of the facts were trippy.  For example: discovering the blind spot right in front of my face, and the brain automatically creates an image to fill in the void.  Weird!  I read about synchrinicity after that, then couldn't keep up with chaos. Good stuff!   Sometimes while veiwing mountains or anything outside, the view actually looks like a painting.  Hmmm...

Tom,    that sounds interesting.  I haven't read any of Carlos' books.  What are the seven gates?

Grenade,      Thanks!  My message is a bit delayed from vacation.  I've also experienced that swelled feeling from meditation or energy work.  I think that's pretty normal.  I'm still curious to find out about the balloon effect while dreaming.  It's happened to me at least three times, so I've become suspicious of what's really happening (physically or spiritually).  Write back if you have other thoughts!

Hey there!   Haven't seen you here before. I'm Lucid dancer.  How's it going? WILD is a wake induced lucid dream.  You use imagination or an affirmation to keep consciousness from wake to sleep.  What you can do, is imagine being in a place that you know well (real or imaginary).  Do this while in a trance state before you have tiny dream flashes. With practice, there should be a smooth transition with no loss of consciousness. Then while in the lucid dream, you could continue dreaming...being in complete control of everything, or you could leave the dream & turn it into a projection.   I hope I answered your curiousity!  Give it a try. It's fun!