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First off EV, excellent post. You got the "ball rolling" again and I Thank You for that! 

Lumaza- just reading your thread here led me this morning to deviate from my ongoing morning dream and to recognize the ebb and flow of my consciousness as I became increasingly aware of both my dream and the fact of my normal waking process.

Sometimes that's all it takes. We read quite a bit here how a person had their first successful "conscious shift" after just reading a book on Astral Projection or hearing someone speaking on it via a video or live seminar.

But as I neared the 'surface' of full waking, I was able to recognize and re-submerge myself back into the depths of the dream and let the dream continue. I was thinking about what you had said about dream recognition in this or another thread and that became a conscious operative thought at this point.

Now you are learning the Art of what I have always called "Re-Scripting". You can become aware you have left the Dream, but you don't quite wake up. It's kind of like a brief lull before all of a sudden you find yourself back in it again. Many times this is because I failed at whatever test or challenge I had been given in that Dream simulation. It first started happening to my spontaneously though. It took awhile before I was able to control the ability to re-script or not.

In this experience, I was able to watch the dream progress and not interfere with it, watch my awareness nearly break the surface of 'full' consciousness and then let it slide back down into the waiting dream 'current', like simply allowing my awareness to flow down a stream...hence my wonderment at the song, "Row, row, row your boat..." I did this like six or seven times before I finally came completely awake...all the time thinking about your post! lol It is so sad, but early this morning I had the grasp of some of the subtle features that allowed me to manipulate and re-direct my dream back to where I wanted it. I even had thoughts of how I would later describe this...and yet, within a few minutes it began to fade...and within an hour it was gone...
Writing this out provokes another question: How many of us experience dreams in groups of two or three at a time? I am saying that I will have a sequence of three or more dream storylines going on throughout the night. Sometimes, they are all resolved by morning; sometimes not. Anyone?

That is what "Tibetan Dream Yoga" and what Robert Moss calls "Dream Walking" is all about. You learn to observe first. Then when the simulation is fully functional, you consciously "react" to it.
My "Trigeminal Neuralgia" was responsible for me being able to achieve this. Although a very painful way, nonetheless, it worked. I would go to bed, close my eyes and my eye and facial spasm would kick into overdrive. I then would put my left hand on my the left side of my face and try to calm the nerves as I attempted to fall asleep. In the beginning, before I started taking pills to calm this, it would take anywhere from 1-3 hours before I could fall asleep. But, I found myself watching my nightly Dream cycle. Many times though, I stayed consciously aware the entire night. I still do today. But that seems to be more spontaneous now. I close my eyes to go to sleep and the next thing I know I am wide "aware" again. Not necessarily awake, as in with my eyes open. More of consciously aware but more of a "ultra" very strong awareness. It's very hard to describe.

I saw that my first Dream of the night had to do with "the now". It seemed to be whatever it was that I last experienced here in the physical, like a book I was reading, a movie I was watching, a job I was doing. Everything was based on this current time.

Next came things I was working on, as in, subconscious things or problems from my past. I would find myself in some kind of situation that was due to my past.

This was followed by a Dream scenario of "play time". This was kind of like a "recess" between schools, whereas I got some time to just enjoy being there.

Next was followed by "other". This is where things got foggy though. This was well into the Dream cycle and this seemed to be the real "training grounds" or school should I say. I say school because in this area there was a "teacher" of some sort. This is where the tests, quests and challenges were initiated.

There is SO much subtle stuff that I wish I could remember or convey from this morning...but of course, I had to get up and go to work...

Yes, I found that the worst thing you can do to destroy your Dream recall is to wake up by a Alarm Clock and there is always the "okay I need to use the bathroom, then  I will return to write what I can remember" scenario. When you finally get back to your bedroom, your "recall" is null and void, lol. That happens quite a bit. But you can beat it. When you are on your bathroom trip, keep using key words to keep your mind on what you last experienced. To beat the Alarm Clock distraction, just use you "internal" Alarm clock to rouse your consciousness an hour before your physical one on your bedstand goes off. How do you do that? You program your mind before you go to sleep. I do that by visualizing the time/numbers I want to wake up on a actual Alarm Clock. EX. I will see the numbers 8:00 flashing, when I want to become consciously aware at that time. You can also use the affirmation that you will keep your eyes closed and not move your physical body when you first become aware in the morning. Just know that you can teach your mind to do what you want it to do. It just takes training, like everything else in life does.

I do want to tell people though, "Be careful what you wish for". Many times I hear people that say they want to experience this. They work towards it and finally get what they desired. But the next thing you need to learn is "how to turn it off". Turning it on is one thing, turning it off is something you need to learn to do as well. You can find yourself awaking after every single Dream, which is quite tiring or you could find yourself like me, just staying the entire night. I will tell you one thing, there is a good reason that we lose our conscious awareness when we go to sleep. It is very hard to juggle the two of them and you may even find that you begin to have problems separating what "reality" you are in at the time. They do begin to merge.

Haha, me too so a question for you. Do you think 'you' created those places or they were already there or created for you or... ?

I believe, as I have been shown, that indeed there is structure there. Of who's design, that's still up for interpretation. Just when I begin to see that it is of my design and that the structure may be self initiated, I am shown that I need to take another look at things. I have some other experience that shows me otherwise.  

I wish that we could open a conversation based on this and do some real personal research. I'm sure we will get differing opinions, but that's okay. I am open minded.

I tried to get a meaningful discussion on "structure" in Astral started here, using my "Test, Quest and Challenges" and my "Download" thread. But only a few people joined it.

I cannot remember seeing anything that could be a biodome except possibly in my Talking to the Hand experience.

I feel that that may be "according to the script" as well.

I had a experience once where I found myself in a "control room" of sorts looking over my normal everyday life here in this physical realm. . I thought I was dead and that this is the way a "life review" would be. It was very eerie to say the less. But the whole experience had a number of messages. It was the first time I was shown how to reign in my ego and just observe, as I do here in this physical realm a well. Lately I have observed quite a bit here in this realm and unfortunately not a "enough" of it is positive.

Then I thought to myself, wait, you know better, just think of a place. But despite this, my other part felt I should wake up and protect my physical body LOL. So, eventually I did, but that is not typical of me. I laughed in the morning.

Don't you hate it when you come to the realization that "hey I know better", but you do after the fact. In a way though it helps not knowing "better" at the time. It gives you more time to just enjoy the adventure/simulation at hand.

I find that if I become too aware that I am in a Dream, that the Dream ends because I start to deviate from the intended scenario that I am experiencing at the time, thus losing the intended message or purpose that was being shown or taught to me.

t seems this is standard. I too have repeat characters.

I get repeat characters and places so much that I have come to the conclusion that either this is a "parallel universe" I am experiencing or that it is a "self created" world that my consciousness has developed, which in turn still puts it in the "parallel world" classification.

I'll reply tomorrow just in case, as I am tried.

Please don't. I couldn't make that point any clearer. I don't want to discuss this or debate this any further with you.
Thank You!

I would like to learn more about the nonphysical places you can travel to so I thought I'd read Robert Monroe's books.  But I found his first book "Journeys out of the body" very confusing.  Are there any other good books out there for learning more about the nonphysical that aren't so confusing?  Or that can help me make sense of what Robert Monroe talks about in his books?

Hey Kuurt. This Sub=Forum is loaded with info on Astral Projection related books by a number of great Authors on the subject. You can also find "reviews" of them there as well.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews-b34.0/

[YOU ARE CURRENTLY ON A FORUM NAMED THE ASTRAL PULSE, WHICH IS LOADED WITH ASTRAL PROJECTION TECHNIQUES!]

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. I'll check it out. It's been a while since I have really researched astral projection techniques.

YOU ARE CURRENTLY ON A FORUM NAMED THE ASTRAL PULSE, WHICH IS LOADED WITH ASTRAL PROJECTION TECHNIQUES!  

Possibly this is what Subtle Traveler meant when he said to "WAKE UP".  

[You must condition your MIND to have an OBE.]

 Jeff's post above is excellent. The one thing he said that I really want to stress is this"

You must condition your MIND to have an OBE.


I call it "brain entrainment". With all the constant positive drive that you are creating, you are showing your "consciousness/Higher Self" that yes I am ready, willing and able! 

Not, that I am aware of, no.
This would be the first time I have ever heard of "Etheric Body".

Every time I have tried to bring on the sensations, I am workig toward APing.
Even if I decide to practice relaxation, it is with the sole intent to further my skills on APing.

I will look in to "Etheric body" more, as it sounds like great way to exercise the mind.

You experience your "etheric body" during what is known as a RTZ experience. RTZ stands for "real time zone". Your etheric body can also be known as your energy body. My daily exercises teach me how to feel things with it. Hence the feeling of motion when you simply begin to think or focus on swaying.

Here is a easy exercise for you. Clap your hands gently for 1 minute. Now do it with your eyes closed. Now stop clapping with your "physical" hands and keep clapping with your etheric hands. When you attempt this for the first time, you will find that putting that intent causes your physical hands to move. It takes a while and mental discipline before you can still feel the entire motion of the movement without actually moving your physical hands at all.

If you want a easier practice. Just close your eyes and try to move our finger without physically moving it. Now move focus on moving your hand. Like I said, you need to learn to walk before you run. But in time you get so good at this that you don't need to "leave" your body at all. You have disciplined your focus so strong that you can turn shift on and off at will.
For people that wish to learn more on this, check out these Stickies here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_exactly_do_you_perform_the_phantom_wiggle_method-t44583.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

Here is a fantastic thread that has the owner here Adrian, Frank Kepple, Ginny, Novice and others talking about creating their own paradise or "Happy Place" I call it, which takes them to all kinds of adventures. It begins with "imagination", but when you lock your focus onto whatever you have created, you will find that things just start happening that you haven't created, thus leading you to a new adventure.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/focusing_attention_within_and_my_f27_place-t2595.0.html

@Lumaza,

I had an experience last night where I felt the vibrations really strong (This has happened twice now) and then they slowly calmed down but I was still vibrating slowly and comfortably. That is a sign to start looking at getting out of body correct?

So I tried visualizing myself hearing things, seeing things, moving limbs, etc... But could not get a separation.

Are you attempting a "Etheric body" separation or just shift in consciousness? 

The way I was laying was on my side, again, as when I lay like that it seems like i can "will" the vibrations to come on naturally (Dose any one ells have this, or is it all in my head?). I had my hand under my head and a couple of my fingers were touching my forehead. I began to try and press my fingers into me forehead (just trying to see if i could move them). Where the skin to skin contact was I would get this "electrical" feeling/sensation when I would use my fingers to apply pressure to my forehead.

You can get the vibrations going at will by making a inner shiver, akin to a cold chill. You could also stand up straight, close your eyes and start to sway your etheric body side to side. In a couple of minutes you will have a hard time keeping your balance. You will be actually feeling your body moving, even though it's completely stationary. These "etheric exercises" are very good for learning to "disassociate" yourself from your physical body. After a while all it takes is a simple "thought" to do it. It takes a lot of conditioning to get to this point though. At least it did with me. But this is why I stress the importance of daily etheric exercise. They are so easy to do and only take  few minutes. I always hear how people don't have the time and that baffles me. Just sitting here at the computer I can close me eyes and start a simple one of reaching with me "etheric hand" to the tree 200 feet away or I can close my eyes and visualize driving down road. Sure it starts with "imagination", but then the scene becomes alive and something unexpected may occur.

I find now that just watching  TV show without moving will get mild vibrations going, even with my eyes completely open. This is because my focus is 100% on the show and not on my body or anything else. Once again a shift in focus.

With Astral Projection you are shifting your focus from here to there, wherever "there" may be. How you do that is up to you. There are a ton of techniques to do it. You just need to find one you are comfortable with. Bedeekin's pre-nap technique is very good for a "etheric separation" from SP.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/fantastic_obe_technique_bedeekins_method-t31819.0.html

 Plasma, Your debate with Xanth reminds me of this popular movie. Guess what part you are playing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Lx4o9mtY4

Plasma, you should read what Xanth said, then read it again and again. There is a important message to be found in there. His post speaks for many here that have attempted to enlighten you in the past and are still "feverishly" trying to today.

I am not saying you are bad person. I am just saying that at this current time your "mindset" seems to be different then most people that come to this Forum are. They come here for information, to learn, to understand, but also to use what they are learning and understanding to help them to have their own "shift in consciousness". You have stated in the past that you don't actively practice for a number of different reasons. Yet you make a thread such as this based on something that you yourself say you have no interest in doing, with the reason being you lack the time now because of "School".

All the time you spend here is ample time that you could be attempting. that's if you really wanted and had the desire to. You need to overcome whatever fear that is harbored in you that prevents you from actively engaging in this practice. Only then will you be able to answer the number of questions that you have asked here through the years. "Seeing" and experiencing it for yourself will enlighten you and will also aid you in other areas of your life. So, now it's up to you.

I think there is a little fear from my last experience and I think what happened is I was not prepared for it to happen that quick. I was expecting to have to practice a little more and slowly work toward separation. But when my astral head fell through my physical hand I was soooooo shocked. (Read my post above about this )

Lose all those "expectations" and just experience what you are right now.

When I was new I was met by a Guide, who just happened to be a deceased Brother in Law. He stressed many times over and over again "to just observe". I had so many questions on so many things and in time "most" of those questions were answered. That is the best advise anyone could have given me.

You are excited right now. You feel like a "kid in a candy shop". You have already proven to yourself that what you had already practiced has worked. So don't confuse yourself with all of the many techniques you can find on this Forum and others. Stick to what you are doing. You are doing great. Also make sure you keep a Journal of "everything" that happens, no matter how trivial you think it is. This will help you to see your progress.

This Sticky will help:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_astral_blueprint-t38729.0.html

Actually to tell you the truth every Sticky in this Sub-Forum is excellent and very helpful:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness-b30.0/

Haha, figures! I lost any fear I had of this a while back. I absolutely never experienced any exit symptoms till recently. I do think they are just a way to re-awaken what I've been ignoring. When I got it to my chest it really made my chest feel looser but it gave me a whopping headache.

I still experience "exit symptoms" until my focus deepens. I also still experience "fear tests" once in awhile. I see this as a way to keep me feeling "empathy" for those here that are just beginning this practice or those that come here after just experiencing their first terrorizing bout of SP.

Like I said science and technology will prove I am right in it's own timing, and this will happen in my lifetime probably. So just next time you see articles in the coming months, years, and decades about the things I've talked about remember what I said.

When Science starts to look at answers that come from "subjective" research (which they don't do) as in Paranormal studies, then and only then can Science begin to merge into the "spiritual" realm. Until that time, no progress ever will be made with this.

All of your wisdom has been very insightful that I am most grateful for.
It has answered many questions related to and others along with allowing me to see definition from the littlest clues to better understanding as I encounter/re-encounter each experience.

The tests can be quite challenging and some can take quite a while before you come up with the answer. This is why they "reoccur" so much in our Dreams".

I get the feeling that someone on the other side is kind of cheering for us, thinking that maybe this time we will see the quest through and finally find it's real purpose! 

Lumaza and you too Szaxx and anyone else with an opinion, about that whole exploding head thing. Are we sure this is just another exit sign? I ask because I'm little iffy on whether there might be more there.

The other night I had a huge one and decided to just see what if anything I could do with it. I 'felt' around up there with my senses while it was going on and when I pressed (with my senses) the pressure got extremely intense. I could hold it but only for a second or two. I could move it around a bit and moved it down to my heart area. It felt really good there but when I released my hold it would immediately move back into my head. Moving it around it felt very much like the vibrations only much denser.

Thoughts?

Yes, I found it to be a "fear test". Basically a "how far are you willing to go" thing. Once I confronted it, it stopped happening. Well that is until I experienced it again through a "download". Those are rather intense.  

It sounds like you turned it into a great focus target. Kudos to your experimentation with it.   I love experimenting anew. I move energy around often using many of my daily "etheric practices". It's a great way to alleviate pain too.  

Lumaza - No problem. I'm willing to let this thread go where it does. When it comes to nano-technology I'm just feeling like we (meaning not me) (lol) are just reinventing the wheel. It's been done already and look where we are, right here me thinks. Same ole humans/humanoids looking for that secret to the soul. Plasma is right though, it is coming. But just like the iPhone - not everyone will want one. And the tech will be misunderstood and before you know it we will have it just like we got the internet - still in Beta. Haha!

Then there's the question of "what happens when it gets hacked"? We have already seen that every new tech made is hackable because it uses the same "algorithms". If it can be programmed, it can be hacked. The new "driverless car" was a reality check for these "Transhumanists". They also state quite publicly that when a device such as a "implant" or Nanobot is used, that the company that owns the device also owns "YOU". They say to that that, that people still be will lining up nevertheless. 

 But considering I know in depth about almost all spiritual technologies, even a kid will tell you I would be more apt to know the truth of this matter.  

First off Nameless, I apologize for the interruption to your meaningful and heartfelt thread here! My "Tests, Quests and Challenges" thread tells you my thoughts on the basis of this thread.

Plasma, there's that phrase again "Spiritual Technology". A "Bing" search on that brings me to "The Church of Spiritual Technology",  also known as "Scientology" and you don't want to get me started on that. I know and have worked for "Scientologists" in the past and no, just no.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=spiritual%20technology&FORM=BB07LB&PC=BB07&QS=n

If people need a "Nanobot" or some other techno device to "force" them in being "spiritual", using your term Plasma, then they don't know the real meaning of the word period. It comes from within, not from a device. It comes from personally experiencing life in general and deciding what is and what isn't, not something that is triggered by a "stimulant" to the brain.
The movie "Wally" is coming back to my mind quite a bit lately with all of the talk I hear everywhere on Transhumanism. Google/Microsoft and other companies in the Silicone Valley are working feverishly on making this a reality. Hmm, I wonder why. could it be "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"?

 It's likely comparable to this one.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/iwinks/the-aurora-dream-enhancing-headband/description

The problem I see with the "Urbanwearable" is that it isn't for a stomach or side sleeper. I even had a problem finding a sleep mask in general that I liked. I found that some of them were great for back sleepers. But if you turned on your side or stomach, they were very uncomfortable. At least the "Aurora" is less bulky, but not by much.

They have been trying to get funding and to get the Aurora into production since 2014.  They still haven't got it on the Market yet. They say they are taking orders now, but not shipping them yet!   They are quite pricey as well. Almost $300.00 US But it is a high tech piece of equipment, so I guess the price is justified.

Then there is this "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
I posted this recently in another thread here on the Astral Pulse as well. I have opened my friends and Family up to the fact that there is really a whole new world out there to explore. I did this by giving them a session with my Laxman. After the session, each one of them told me some fantastical thing they had experienced while using the device. But after that eye opening experience that each received, not one of them ever pursued this any further.

Holy Toledo People,
This is exactly what I've been looking for. If you guys started a conversation on this in another thread I would love to have the link.

EV's "fantastical" thread and threads of the same nature here on the Astral Pulse are what spawned my "Tests, Quests and Challenges" and my "The Download, aka the Forbidden Dream"  threads found here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/tests_quests_and_challenges-t46546.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/the_download_aka_the_forbidden_dream-t44872.0.html
It also spawned another thread created by EV that is found here.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/how_to_avoid_a_ld_despite_9_easy_dream_triggers-t44860.0.html;msg364372#msg364372

I was attempting to deepen the conversation further. But just like all the other threads here, it soon disappeared into the "Astral Pulse abyss". Conversations of this nature are what I have been yearning to see here for a while now.   So feel free to elaborate more Nameless. You have my attention once again.  

I don't think I broke the rules as the link you posted says.

Perhaps it was your comment on "Nanobots being used for spiritual advancement and Astral Projection" that got you that warning Plasma, lol! 

[THE UNKNOWN!]

Now that I look back on it, I have not idea why I was scared. New experience, feeling of uncertainty... I know i need to overcome it.

THE UNKNOWN!. After awhile you learn to just "trust"! 

Lumaza, I thank you for replying to all posts and providing great/easy to understand information!! I thank you for helping be in this journey.
I am sure I will have more questions... Lots more. I hope you will be here to walk me through it where you can. GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Your Welcome! 

If you are willing to learn, I am willing to aid in teaching you!

[YES, you were experiencing a shift in consciousness!]

I was reading a sticky in the form, about exit signs..... and there was one of them talking about a "CLICK" sound. And I an sure that is what I experienced when my head seemed to fall through my hand as i talk about above. ^^^

I Just had a HOLY POOP moment!!!! Can any one help confirm this based on the experiences I list above??

WOW... I am amazed right now!! Love it!!!

YES, you were experiencing a shift in consciousness!  . How's that for a confirmation, lol?

Swallowing only ruins your attempt if you believe swallowing ruins your attempt. The same goes with scratching a itch or any other nuisance you may encounter. Just scratch the itch, swallow, etc., then get back to your focus technique again.

One other thing. You can not "Force" this. You need to learn to "allow" it, no matter where it turns or what happens. I know this is pretty extreme, but Tom Campbell once said "That you need to have the mindset that if you don't come back, so be it".  No expectations, just take what you are given. There will be a lot of time afterwards to question what just occurred.

Im not quite sure how do describe the energy moving but it feels like it is breathing...lol It kind of automatically feels like when one tries to get the astral body moving by inducing a feeling of swaying to left and right or spinning.

It sounds to me like you are getting better at "disassociating" your physical body at will. This comes from daily practice and is a very good thing.

But this is not " I end up checking the body after a while and find out that the body and mind is getting much more tired somehow and not in a relaxed way". That is counterproductive. Never think of your physical body when attempting to "shift" your focus elsewhere. Otherwise you are shifting your focus back to the physical again. One step forward, two steps back!  
This is a great exercise and it will give you something to do with that feeling of energy/movement that you are experiencing. Always try to use something like that to your advantage.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_exactly_do_you_perform_the_phantom_wiggle_method-t44583.0.html