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Most people carry the bulk of their stress in their neck, shoulders and jaw. These are usually the last areas in the body to fully relax.

Next time, I would try either some stretching exercises, like yoga or maybe some intense exercises like aerobics or weight-lifting. Something to really wear-out the body. (You may need to grab a shower afterwards  ) but when you are done, lie down and let your muscles finally relax and let go. When the muscles have just gone through a rigorous work-out, they are ready and willing to take a break. I think this really helps facilitate total body relaxation while in the shortest amount of time. The mind is usually quite calm after the work out and more easily focused.

Hope this helps!

There are a lot of different techniques to try in the Permanent Astral Topics and Astral FAQ sections. I would recommend reading through both of those boards and finding a technique that interests you. Then give it a try. Feel free to post any questions or problems you may have.

Everyone is different, so what works well for one person doesn't seem to do anything for another. The best thing to do is pick a technique and commit to practicing it for 1-3 months and see how youare doing. If nothing seems to be happening, then try another technique.

And we believe OBEs are spiritual...? 

Its weird -- many of mine are -- but there are a lot that are just 'fun'!

I actually had to laugh a few weeks back. I somehow caught strep throat and was in bed with a 103 F fever. It was the middle of the night and I was asleep (both physically and consciously) when all of a sudden I flew out of my body and landed with a proverbial thud on the floor by the bed. It felt like my body just kicked me out all of a sudden. I turned back to the bed and looked at my body and just laughed and said "Ok I can take a hint!"  I then stood up and walked out the back wall.

I never had that happen before -- but found it comical.

Actually I was just chattin with my friends the other day about this and I brought up the fact that I believe ultimately we will be making the journey unaided (by drugs). If this is true, which I think many people agree with, it really confuses me when people come down on psychedelic explorers. I believe a lot of psychedelic drug users are looking to better their life, the world, or what have you, which is what yoga practitioners desire as well as those who meditate. With similar goals, how can one group criticize another?

It wasn't a criticism of drug users. I was simply stating my views on the subject. I've never done any type of drug at all. But I've known kids in high school and college who did. And everyone of them did it to have fun at first. Whenever there was a party, they had to take some -- "you know, just to have fun; loosen up a bit". Eventually I think it turned to a form of escapism -- and this goes for alcohol as well. Some enjoy a glass of wine with dinner. But others need a drink when they get home from work; or after finals in school; or to deal with a broken relationship; or whatever other hard to deal with physical problem they face. Drugs aren't spiritual to them -- its a fast means to a surreal world where they don't have to deal with what is facing them in physical life.

I also don't like what drugs do to the body of the user. I don't like anything that harms the body, regardless of the 'benefits' one can gain from it. But I also don't take 'legal' drugs either (motrin, tylenol, cold medicine, etc). As with all things in life there is a choice. Yes ibuprofin stops pain, but it is also hard on the liver. So what do you do? Live with the pain for awhile or let your liver take a 'hit or two' from the medicine? There is no right or wrong answer, which is why I am not criticizing your choice. I'm merely throwing out an alternative and hoping that you or others reading this post will get a balanced view of the subject and not just a one-sided answer.

The use of drugs to elicit other-worldly experiences goes back thousands of years. I think the most commonly known is peyote (I'm probably spelling that wrong). And often people will point to this as a practice and justify the use of drugs by saying its been done for a long time. Yes it has, but so has yoga and meditation without drugs. And, from what I remember (and I'm NOT an authority on this at all) these ancient civilizations used drugs only in ceremonial practicies or for specific issues. It was not a habitual use. They also had many rituals that needed to be followed prior to the use and even then, the drugs were not used by everyone. Only a select few were allowed to use them after a type of apprenticeship and then it was for the betterment of the people.

Even in meditation, people tend to get side-tracked at looking for the 'cool' experience. They focus not on the meditation, but on what they may experience during it. In my opinion, this defeats the purpose of meditation. One needs to get passed 'expecting' and simply 'be'. The goal is less important that the road taken to get there. Whereas with drugs, the 'cool' experiences are guaranteed each time.

I guess it all boils down to two things for me:

1) based on the people I know, drugs are used to escape problems instead of facing them; and
2) people want instant, immediate experiences

My experience has been that the difficulties we face in life and the way in which we deal with them is what makes us strong and helps us to grow. I don't think either one of those two things can be rushed.

Again, I'm not trying to criticize. Just throwing out my thoughts on the subject so that others reading will have differing views to consider.

Welcome Aaron!

Feel free to jump in with any questions you may have or any stories to share. The Astral FAQ and Permanent Astral Topics sections have a bunch of good stuff in them you may want to review as well, if you haven't already.

No one needs external 'help' to have "mind-blowing" experiences. So many people today simply do not want to put in the time it takes to actually have one. They are always looking for immediate effect. I do not believe this is the case with everyone everywhere. But I dop perceive it to be highly prevalent in the west (western Europe and US). I do not believe that there is any short-cut in spiritual matters.

The majority of people on this planet have a very unbalanced view of psychedelics such as psilocybin containing mushrooms.

I think the majority of people on this planet have a very unbalanced view of pretty much everything in life. You mentioned alcohol. Do you know how many people over the years have actually explained to me that they drive better after a few drinks because their more cautious behind the wheel?!    Sounds totally whacked doesn't it? 

As absurd as the statement above sounds to you right now...

Many people I've talked to, after having bad trips figure out what happened during the trip to cause those feelings and they learn from them.

...that is how I percieve this comment.

I realize that you cannot 'hear' my words, so I assure you now I am not trying to sound condescending or inflammatory in any way. I am merely tossing in to the ring the thought that perhaps trying to do something without the help of any type of drug may change your perspective on the matter. If you can compare both, you may be surprised at the difference. Oftentimes when we are in the middle of something, it is difficult to step back and see it for what it is.

Actually, you don't need any of them. I've never used them, or any other binaural CD. However, there are a lot of posts here regarding the Wave 1 CD. Check out the Permanent Astral Topics section or do a search on Wave 1. If I remember correctly, and I could be mistaken, I believe that most people using the CD's were able to achieve success with just the Wave 1 CD. I believe Frank wrote a number of great posts on his experiences and practices using the Wave 1 CD and I remember numerous members here were able to use his practice methods, modified to their own preferences, with quite a bit of success. So you may want to try and search for posts with Wave 1 by member Frank, but one of his best posts (considered a classic here) is this one:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave1_pointers-t1832.0.html;msg117567#msg117567

We recently revamped the forums several months ago, and for some reason the original post was put to the end of the response posts. So when you get to this thread, scroll to the bottom and look for the last post by Frank. That is actually the first post for that thread. Read that one and then go back up and read the rest of the posts in the thread. I think it will help you out immensely.

i wanted to know the basics about them; can they hurt me, are they visible, are the the astral body of someone else, are they visible in the physical realm, can they stalk me, what attracts them, etc.

As Stookie mentioned, many people believe these are created by the individual. So they can hurt you if you believe they can. They are visible, if you think they are, etc.

Personally I think people read about them and then are unsure. So when they finally project, one of the first things on their mind is "what if I meet a neg". Well, OBE/Astral/ and so on feed off our each person's thoughts/feelings. So if you 'think' about a neg, guess what will happen? You'll start to sense/see something that looks like what you think a neg may look like. Once you get a 'glimpse' of it, then you confirm for yourself that they exist and you are near one. This creates a more 'solid' neg. Then you start getting afraid and either feed it energy by your fear or you simply wake up. Either way, you have now met a 'neg' and know they exist. So whenever you are out and begin to think about them, they will manifest -- its a cycle created by you via your thoughts/fears.

The only way to not encounter one or to 'beat' one is to not think about them at all. The briefest of thoughts will begin to manifest the fear which creates it. If you are out and never think about them, you won't meet them. At least this has been my experience. I've been doing this for a few years now and I've never met one.

They won't let me heal them, cause they think I'm incompetent, and they think it takes decades to learn this stuff. Or they think only special people can do this... This is why I need to show them that I can manipulate energy by setting something on fire.

Ok, I have to throw out two thoughts for you here:

1) Regardless of how well you can heal, if someone doesn't want to be healed or doesn't believe you can heal them, they won't heal -- at least that has been my experience. Healing is greatly dependent upon the mind/beliefs of the individual being healed and less on the ability of the healer.

2) Is setting something on fire the only way to show them?    Why is it so cricitcal to prove yourself to them? This could be my interpretation, but your posts seem to have a subtle desperate quality to them. I would suggest that you take a break from attempting to prove skills to others and instead simply focus on your practice. If they are really interested in this stuff, or in being healed, then at some point they will take the initiative to give it a try. Perhaps try to focus on training and practice and let your family believe what they want.

Just a thought!

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I don't know what you've heard. But I've never read/seen people associate "spirit guides" and "evil". Now there are people who believe in what are sometimes called "negs", meaning negative entities. I personally do not believe in them and have never experienced any type of evil/demon/neg type being. My personal thought is that demons/negs do exist, but only in the context of 'personal demons'. Meaning I think thoughts and fears play a big part in what you perceive. Thus focusing on negative/evil thoughts/beings will likely result in your experiencing exactly that when you phase/OBE.

I also think that, depending upon the individual, these thoughts can appear to manifest as seperate entities because the individual gives them the power to, as a result of putting some much of their energy in to those thoughts/feelings. Not everyone agrees with this philosophy though, so I would recommend you do your own research, read a bunch of posts on different people's experiences and possible causes, then when you are able to phase/OBE form your own opinions based on your own experiences.

What is true for one person is not necessarily true for someone else.

But, even if it's rare, can you die while APing? I've heard if you "cord" snaps, you die. Say if I tried to purposely break the cord, would that do anything? Are there any other factors(despite being rare circumstances) where one's life could be in danger?

I've never seen the famous "silver cord". Others say they feel it but don't see it, some see it and feel it. I've never heard of anyone dying from OBE or phasing. Usually its the other way around, someone has an OBE when they are close to dying (NDE's). I have never perceived there to be any danger whatsoever in phasing/OBEs. But again, that's just my experience thus far.

How much does your spirt guide know about you? Do they know anything about your from the physical?

My guides know more about me than I am consciously aware of at the moment. Meaning, they know more about my weaknesses and strengths than I do. They know what I need to work on and the best way to do it, often when I don't understand what they are describing (which happens fairly often unfortunately). They know all about my physical life, past experiences, future thoughts/plans, etc. They will know what I want to discuss usually before I show up. I can mention an incident and they know exactly what I'm talking about without me having to describe what happened. At least this has been my experience with my guides. Other's may have different experiences.

1) While one is projecting, do you literally leave your body? I'm hoping that you do but somehow I'm not so sure.

This is discussed quite frequently and you should probably do a search or at least check out the Permanent Astral Topics and Astral FAQ sections for various thoughts and rationales behind the theories. When you OBE, you do perceive a body of sorts, but it isn't your physical body. If you phase to the astral, you usually do not actively perceive a body, at least I don't.

2) What exactly are "spirit guides"? Are they real?

I don't know 'exactly' what they are. But there are beings who are more aware/conscious than the person they are guiding. They are there to help you out and guide you spiritually.

3) If one wishes, can he/she permanently leave their body via projection?

This is called death.

4) Which method is easier to project, sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, 7 chakras, or meditation?

There are more methods than this and defining the 'easiest' is purely subjective. It literally varies from one person to another. I would recommend research various methods and picking one that resonates with you. Then try it for a minimum of a month, preferable 2-3 months and see how you progress. If it doesn't seem to be working, then try another one.

5) Does moving slightly or opening your eyes improvise the success of projection?

Just the opposite -- it will prolong the process. At first you want to reach MA/BA (Mind Awake/Body Asleep). From which level it is easier to phase/project.

6) Can you talk to others while on the astral plane?

Yes

I don't have just one all-time favorie. But I do have several that I love for different reasons:

The Last of The Mohicans -- Nathanial Hawthorne
The Alchemist  -- Paulo Coelho
The Tao Te Ching -- Lao Tze
The Bhagavad Gita According to Ghandi
Meister Eckhart: The Essential Sermens, Commentaries, Treatises and Defense

RTZ is also better, b/c that's where I met my spirit guide and one of my totem animals.

I don't think the etheric (also called RTZ) is better or worse than the 'astral'. Its all subjective. I  first met my guides in what I call the astral. But I've also met and conversed with them in the etheric as well.

I could experience things that were really there, instead of having my imagination altar my perception.

That's great -- it means that you were highly aware. But regardless of whether you are in the etheric or astral plane, you can get dream overlays. Sometimes they are simply mild fluctuations, but often -- at least for me -- if I don't catch them early enough they take over and the experience turns in to an unaware dream. I've had OBEs where I wasn't very lucid and my house appeared similar, but was twice as tall and houses that should have been there were missing and various other oddities. So reality fluctuations can occur regardless of whether you are OBE or AP.

My post was directed at you, AstralVibe. I certainly did not intend to offend you or confuse you in any way. If I did, then I apologize.

gain, have no clue who you talking about, as I never said I did not believe. Nor did anyone for all I know.

I never said you didn't believe. I said you seemed completely surprised at actually seeing these things done on the video. Your posts in this thread are very enthusiastic; which is wonderful. But the enthusiasm seemed to me to also reflect surprise or awe. Usually someone is surprised or awed by something they didn't think possible. Again, if I misunderstood, I apologize.

Remember, its all in the mind, if the mind does not believe it, it will create some kind of blockage, whether strong or weak. It will be 100% more effective, if you could show the ones your healing, right in front of their eyes.

I agree to a point with both of these. Doubt has the same affect in energy as it does with AP, or any other metaphysical skill. But the only thing that will make this 100% effective is to KNOW it works -- not simply believe that it does -- there is a definite difference.

I am not one of those crazy skeptics, who don't believe even though you do it in front of them. They watch too much of those "fake magic trick," so they think everything is a trick. Thats fine with me, its pointless to try to convince someone over internet/forum.

Agreed. But I also think it is difficult to convince someone face-to-face if they don't want to believe. I don't discuss any topic on this forum with anyone else in my life barring one person. Simply because most of the people I know are not open or ready for this type of information. I will sometimes drop hints or make comments hedging in this direction, but that's all I do. Basically leave a trail and see if anyone is interested enough to pick up the scent, so to speak. I would expect people who go to you for healing are more open-minded however. They may not be as ready to accept some of the energy feats shown in the videos, but it doesn't matter as long as they believe that they are being helped/healed with your assistance.

Again, I was not trying to criticize your attempts for feedback. I was simply throwing out some possibilities for you to consider. Sorry for the confusion.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/the_playing_card_experiment-t18497.0.html

The Permanent Astral Topic's section has a post about this -- above is the link.

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Sarah is correct -- at least from what I've experienced thus far.

Its first thing in the morning for me, so I apologize if I'm not clear in what I'm about to describe.

From my experiences, whether you are in the etheric, astral or higher, the place you end up tends to coincide with your level of awareness/consciousness at the time. I don't like the labels astral, etheric, etc but everyone uses them so I default to them as well. When I OBE, I experience a body because my awareness level believes it needs one. I also tend not to be as 'crisp' as I am when I'm in the astral. I'm assuming -- and its just an assumption on my part at present -- that because my awareness is low, the plane/level in which I find myself (the etheric) is also kind of pale in color and the surroundings are very similar to my physical surroundings. Gravity is present, but in mild form, so walking is somewhat like walking on the moon -- you do a bouncy-step thing. Again, I think that I perceive similar surroundings, no real color, and a vague sense of gravity, yet can walk through walls, fly etc, because my awareness is high enough to know I'm not in a physical body at the  moment, but its not aware enough to realize that these things don't really exist for me outside of the physical, so I am somewhat between the astral and physical. Again, I'm not sure this is making sense or not, so bear with me.

When my awareness is higher, I skip the etheric altogether and go straight to the astral. Here I perceive vibrant colors (those in physical reality pale in comparison), I do not perceive any gravity per se, although I can still 'walk normal' there as opposed to the bouncy feeling I get in the etheric. The other key difference is I never perceive a body while I'm there. Even within the astral realm, I will have varying degrees of awareness/consciousness with noticable differences.

I guess you could somewhat liken consciousness/awareness to degrees of temperature. At what point does a temperature go from warm to hot? Or from cool to warm? What's the specific degree these things happen? There is no set answer because the temperatures blend from one to another seemlessly, although there are changes that one perceives with each increase/decrease in degree. Consciousness I think can be like that. The etheric, astral and all other planes are a reflection of the level of awareness we are able to attain. But they are not delineated with a cut and dry line, they tend to blend one in to the other.

This analogy fails in that it is only a 2 dimensional example. Consciousness is far beyond 2D. So while you can go up and down in only one direction at a time, consciousness can go 360 degrees. But its the only thing I can think of at the moment. To put this example back in to phasing, I can be in the astral and perceive dream elements, or overlays as Frank would call them. This is because my awareness is high, but my focus is off.

Duh, that's the other thing that is critical and I forgot to mention. Awareness is a big part of it, but I think focus plays and extremely important roll as well. You can be aware enough to be in the astral, but if your focus (focus being equal to thoughts) is scattered, you begin perceiving dreams and other random events occuring as well. So your friend's comment about lucid dreaming being AP is right in the sense that all of this is simply varying degrees of consciousness and focus.

And as for Sarah's comments regarding Frank, I completely agree. Of all of the people on this forum, I found his posts resonated most with my own experiences. He was more scientific and organized in his descriptions/practices than me, but the experiences he describes are very similar to what I have also experienced. So I would highly recommend reading his posts and seeing if anything resonates with you.

And I also agree with the comment about the etheric/OBE. I was phasing before I knew what it was and before I ever OBE'd. I much prefer the astral. It isn't that one is better or worse than the other, but like Sarah said, I don't see what the big deal is.

Lastly, what I'm writing now are simply my thoughts at present based on what I've experienced thus far. These are always evolving the more I experience, so don't take what I say as 'right or wrong'. I'm merely presenting what I perceive to be a possible explaination/description of the various planes of consciousness. I could just as easily be totally wrong about all of it! 

EDIT: Definately not awake yet this morning. Sorry for the afterthought, but I forgot to mention that the feelings linked to thoughts on which you focus (or lack thereof) play a big part in your perceptions. And this could be related to what eastern philosophies refer to as vibration, but there are definately different 'places' that resonate with different types of feelings.

At present, I think there is a 3-prongued way through which we perceive/interact in the astral: consciousness/awareness level, thoughts/focus and feelings. I think your ability to stablize the experience and minimize the amount of dream components is directly proportional to your ability to focus exclusively on specific things/people. I think your ability to perceive the experience in as pure and unaltered a way as possible is related to your level of awareness/consciousness at the time. The place/level you end up in is driven by the thoughts/feelings you have at the time. And feelings are also many-layered things. Its not just about 'angry' or 'lust' or 'fear' that define a place or feel. We all feel many things simultaneously and in different degrees. I've met some people while out that just had what I would describe as a very heavy, dirty feel to them. I found that being too close to them actually made me nauseaus. I had to move away from them in order to feel better. So where you go and who you meet are also influenced by the feelings you have as well. Again, sorry for the incomplete post originally and also for the lengthy post this has turned in to. Hopefully something here helps!

To get into a real time out of body experience... I would think the average person would have to do more. 

But this text isn't describing an OBE, its describing astral projection. When you OBE you enter the etheric zone, sometimes called the real time zone. It is a noticably different place than the astral. You don't perceive a body in the astral like you do when OBE, at least I don't.

When I am lucid and decide to phase, I basically completely ignore the dream. Instead I focus on the person or place I want to visit. Essentially I think and 'feel' them and put all of my focus on the person/place. Soon the dream basically drops away and I get the sensation of the landscape whipping past me. Within what I perceive to be less than a minute of this, the landscape slows down and I'm suddenly where I wanted to be or the person I wanted to visit is now nearby. This is always the method I use to reach the astral and, once there, navigate in it.

Hope that helps!

I thought the videos were quite interesting.

As for finding people to do this stuff -- I'm of the frame of mind that 'those that talk can't do and those that do don't talk.' Meaning anytime anyone starts going on about what they have done or experienced, I start turning the volume down really low, so to speak. It has been my experience that most people with these abilities don't advertise or announce them. Again, this is my perception only.

I personally don't reply to posts asking if anyone has ever done.... whatever. My first thought in response is "why do you want to know?"

In this post, you say you completely believe stuff like this is possible, but yet seem completely surprised at seeing it on video -- although the surprise could be in the fact that it was caught on video. Regardless, it sounds to me like you are saying one thing but still looking for proof yourself. People post a lot of these type of posts in the OBE and AP section as well. To me, having someone else describe what they experienced doesn't validate it for you at all. If so, actually 'seeing' this done, as in these videos, would have satisfied your doubts. I think the only way you will ever truly know is to keep working on it yourself until you are able to do things that make you know what is possible and not just believe it! 

I also believe that "enlightenment" is a lot more to do with the journey rather than the destination.

Beautifully said Sarah and much more succinct that I had in mind.

Sorry AstralVibe -- but I completely agree with Stookie and Selskie.

And as for the $10 million, I'm not so sure I would take it if it were offered to me. If I did, I'd give some to family and the rest to charity. Too much money can be more of a hinderance that too little! 

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I was making out with a girl Activly. anyways

LOL sorry but my first thought upon reading this was "how do you make out with girl 'inactively'?" 

Why do you think you offended someone?

If you are having issues with someone (known or unkown) you can simply PM me or any other moderator. We do try and review all posts to make sure arguments don't erupt, but we are not perfect and do miss some threads. We would hate to have you stop posting over what is probably simply a misunderstanding.

That is exactly what I do, and exactly what I described.  I suppose you did not read my Journals, or my above post for that matter.  But its okay, no biggie.

Not trying to steal your thunder or anything. And yes I read your first response through before I posted. I reiterated your reference to calling for guide for a specific reason that I did not see in your post. That is to explain that if these two boys are not ready and willing to 'move up' there is nothing she can do to make them.

My point in referencing your process was to illustrate the difference between what she is trying to do versus the way in which you and others who do retrieval's work. That difference being allowing a guide to take you to someone who they know is ready to move on. Unless you are particularly evolved, and I don't think anyone working with their 'physical level consciousness' (for lack of better words) can be considered evolved, you are unable to identify when someone is ready to move on or not. So instead of spending her time trying to get these two boys on to the next realm when they may not be ready, perhaps she should check with a guide and see if her attempts are worthwhile. And if not, then let them be and focus on other things.

That was the message I was attempting to send in my post as I hadn't understood this possibility mentioned in any of the other replies. If, however, you were explaining that as well and I missed it, then I apologize.

Hope that explains what I posted and why! 

Oh, and you are correct on your first point. I have not read any of your journal posts. Don't be offended though, I don't read anyone's journal posts. Probably for the same reason I don't post any of mine. I'm just a somewhat private person. Other's love to share all of the details, but that just isn't me. As you say 'no biggie.'