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 Perspective, I find that the study and practice of Non-Physical Exploration, just as it does with learning any new skill, like playing Guitar or even learning Martial Arts for instance, takes a good amount of "mental discipline and commitment".

One of the fascinating parts of Magick that I found was "Scrying". What is Scrying? Well, it's the same as Phasing. The only difference is, with Scrying, your eyes are wide open. You still very easily fall into a trance state though. In a dark room, peering into a black mirror, you allow it to completely consume your focus and await what is going to be shown to you. It is "hypnotic" in a way.   

People seem to subconsciously or by their daytime habits 'choose' their experiences at night in dreams or projections.

I used to think that too. I would see that the games they were playing and the movies they watched were responsible for what they were experiencing. But then, like everything I think I know about the NPR, things changed.

What I have learned in my years of NPR exploration is that I know "nothing". Every time I think I am finally understanding the way things work and operate there, a new experience arises that shows me something different. That could be though, because different levels have different "rulesets". That would make sense too. Hmmm! More questions, lol! 

 The reason I commented in this thread was that I do wish to have a mature conversation on this topic. Just not when it is attached to "Sonic the Hedgehog"!

A week ago, I had a very real in personal experience with an un-invited energy. I spoke with a good friend of mine, a highly valued member of the Astral Pulse Forum about this the day after it occurred. We talked for a few hours on the telephone about it. Did we come to any definitive conclusions? No. The unknown is still the unknown. The next night before going to sleep, I invited it back. I wanted to understand it more. But nothing happened. I will speak more about in a new thread that someone wishes to create on the subject. I talked in the past, in depth, about an experience I had and the response was "crickets". So, I won't start a new thread, but will definitely reply in it.

A new thread on the subject, just might be the thing to pull some of our viewers here out of the shadows to comment or share their own personal experiences with the "unknown". I figure it might be a quite active thread as well. There will be no ridiculing of anyone's perception of what is occurring as well. It is important for the credibility of the conversation's subject matter to be and stay mature in nature. That's the only way that I, myself, would reply in it.

This battle between good and evil is ancient and takes place not only here on our little ball. I think the biggest ego trip of them all is in believing that it is WE who created it all. Regardless it is we who have to fight our way out of it and helping others do so is the ultimate teaching/learning experience.

Yes, the battle between good and evil is ancient. It's the ultimate "duality".

i always say that we came to this school to experience. The good, bad and ugly are all experiences. Many of our most important lessons in our lives come through the bad and ugly or in the case of this conversation, "the dark periods of our lives". That's what makes us stronger though. It's I guess it's what you could call "a necessary evil"

Lumaza, did you find the Magick practice to benefit you? Right now I am learning about Initiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon and find it very interesting, but I'm being careful not to delve into the darker sides of this Magick practice as I've learned it can have deep consequences. I like so far that it trains the mind, focus, and visualization. Great skills to learn for sure.

I think a lot of people's fascination with the occult and darkness in general is the same as it is with Astral Travels, it's the "unknown" that drives us in to it.

The practice of Magick fascinated me at first, until I realized that it is all based "focused will and intent". The study of Magick taught me how powerful intent could be. My late Wife and I travelled around Renaissance Faires for years selling beautiful Dragon sculptures that she created. I had seen this in a vision years ago and my wife's Artistic abilties and knowledge made my visions come true. We called them "Elemental Dragons" and each Dragon according to it's element had a certain intent attached to it. One that we gave it ourselves.

I studied Wiccan, Paganism, Druidism, all sorts of denominations. I found through my research that they seemed to be locked into the thinking that it was all their way or the highway. Because of that, I chose to stay "eclectic". I was invited to join different sects/clans/Groves and did attend some ceremonies. What set me off though was that i could see that there was a number of people that didn't share the group's intent. They were there because it was the "cool" thing or the popular things to do. They were really ego driven. I could sense that their energy just wasn't focused.  

For a time I did focus on the darkness myself too. I had to know darkness to be able see the light. Especially after what i experienced earlier in my life. There are a number of Light Workers that have followed the same path. The only reason that light and dark Magick exists,, is solely due to the intent of said practitioner.

The rituals used are based on focused will and intent. So is Prayer though. Many people see any Magick as evil. Yet they amass in buildings to "pray" as a collective. During Funerals the use of Incense or Ceremonial Smoke is used quite a bit. You could liken that to a practitioner of Magick, a Shaman, etc., using Sage or Incense to clear the energy during ritual. There is a lot of power in Ritual. It hones your focus. It strengthens your intent. The same rituals used repeatedly by the masses do strengthen the energy attached to it. That's the way the "collective consciousness" works. Example of that. Take a Sigil in some book. You have the readers of that book utilizing the same Sigil that thousands of others that are reading the same book do. The book tells you what that Sigil represents and that too strengthens your focus on whatever it was you expected to achieve.

Many people seem to have the wrong idea of Magick though. They think you do a ritual for money, let's say and expect to wake up to a pot of gold the next morning. Believe it or not, I have met many people that thought like that. What you have done during your ritual is mentally set up yourself for some kind of positive or sometimes negative experience which may lead to boost in your finances, like a new job. I always tell people when doing rituals to add "with harm to none and only peace and harmony in the Multiverse" to their intent. Often, we can receive what we wish or intend for, but some times it comes at the beset or harm to others and sometimes even ourselves. Hence the saying "be careful what you wish for".

I find what she said about dark beings interesting and would like to learn more from her perspective personally. I think its very interesting as I do many things on this forum!!

I agree with a lot that you said there. But I have to say something in reply to the smaller quote above. I have seen first-hand how a connection or fascination with "Dark beings" can completely destroy not only a person's mind, but also their life. I attempted in the past, but failed, to help a person very close to me at the time, through the complications caused by such a fascination. To this day, I don't know for sure whether it was a thoughtform she created or something else that was attacking her. But like I said, I failed in my attempt to aid here. I fought tooth and nail to help her though and ended up spiritually, physically and mentally depleted myself.

The OP above is talking about a relationship with a fictional character known as "Sonic the Hedgehog". She has created a "Tulpa" of sorts and at first that Tulpa is harmless. But after a while, if it goes unchecked, that thoughtform can completely consume the person's mind. Not in the sense that it is demonic, but in the sense that the person will lose more and more touch on reality in general.

I would entertain the talk of Dark entities, but when it begins to interfere with a person's mental faculties, I feel the right thing to do is to find some way shape or form to help them. Through the years we have had members here that admitted when they were off their "meds". We could already tell that though. Their delusions took over their life and created an unhealthy environment for them. On their meds, they were great people to conversate with. Off their meds, they became severely delusional. I spent a good amount my time years ago on this Forum helping a few of them via PMs, to keep everything private.

I don't believe that every person speaking of contact with the darkness or dark entities is delusional. Years ago, I was a practitioner of what is known as "Magick" and I was around some pretty fascinating individuals. Like Xanth says above, there are rules in place on this Forum. What most people here were trying to do during the duration that she was a member here (she still is too), was to at least attempt to reason with her. Some of the members here did that because knew all too well where this could possibly lead her to.

We've had very similiar experiences LU and I agree with your whole post. In some ways I sort of wish I had paid more attention when I was younger but on the other hand, I'm kind of glad I just let it stew while I lived my physical life.

I have found that we learn or are taught what we need to know or learn when we are ready for it.

 Nameless, the last post on this thread, before yours now, was 6 years ago. The initial post was made 8 years, in 2014. The person that started the thread is not coming back. That was evident by the last post that they made. You can find that by looking at her profile!

She went looking for "darkness" and because of that, darkness she found!
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_magic/connecting_with_darkness-t45334.0.html;msg353505#msg353505

 I would say "it" seeked me out, found me and since then I know what I am supposed to do.

I was not the one that "consciously" initiated any of it. Once I learned more about it and had a completely conscious OBE (due to a simple "Candle Staring" technique), I was hooked and knew there was so much more to learn and explore this phenomenon.  The more I learned, the more I was open to learning even more and still am today! 

It became my new "normal". I found that you can consciously exist in a number of realities, not just this physical one we are in now. In essence, it changed my "mindset", which in turn changed my "reality"!

 This is a subject that is definitely near and dear to my heart. Before I go any further, look up this "Golden Section Pyramids", in the above Forum search engine. Make sure you use the quotation marks to zero in on only conversations pertaining to the "Golden Section Pyramids". You will see that I have posted replies there in my old name "Lionheart" and my name Lumaza as well. I have a number of replicas of those Pyramids, that were even "charged" in the real Golden Section Pyramids in Russia. I have also done a good amount of research on "Torsion Field" technology as well that is used in what they call "Scenar" devices, created in Russia and used worldwide now (including the USA), for healing and medical treatments.   They built those Pyramids years ago in many different places in the Russian empire, even in the Ukraine.

I actually talked the people that operate the Pyramids in Russia into allowing me to sell small replicas of them years ago in a mall here in Minnesota, USA. I had to buy them almost at cost though. People that knew what they really were immediately bought them. They were mostly Energy Workers and Healers. Most people didn't have a clue of what they were though. I have all kinds of Pyramids in my home. I even own a set of "Egyptian Healing Rods", that were also charged in the Pyramids. I guess that's another title for you to look up in the Forum search engine here.

 Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics Forum is experiencing severe problems right now because of an attempt to upgrade. Their old Forum has gone into "read only" mode and you have to be a signed in member of the new Forum to even peruse there!  They are charging for a special "Silver membership" too.

  They have indicated that they are going to lose a lot of threads and posts due to the new upgrade. So, no, let's not do that here!

We are just now building a certain momentum, another year would jet rocket things into a certain sustainability, I know. We'll see whether the world wants it. If it does, people will connect and link in with us through the patreon to help hold it up. I'm hoping for it with every cell in my being. I wonder what will happen!

Casey, I listened to that entire interview. As most interviews go with these types of Hosts, there always seems to be a level of "one-up-man-ship" occurring and unfortunately for you here this was the case in this one too. She didn't give you the chance to be "unique" or different. She just kept lumping you in with all the other Channelers. It was a shame to see that. You deserved better!  

The reason I quoted you above and my question here is, "to what end"? What is your "end-game here" or the overall purpose? What kind of information are these Beings sending or sharing with you, other than allowing you to view them? That is the part I am interested in.   This is what always seems to be left out. "The "message" that is coming through!

 Very cool!  That experience is loaded with metaphors. I see why you said, "There is a lot to this and a lesson for everyone but like me you will have to figure out what that lesson is". It can be perceived and even deduced by everyone in their own personal way, depending on experiences and circumstances in their own lives.

 Ask yourself this. Did you feel a "physical separation" or did you just end up "there", wherever there was? That will tell you the difference between a OBE, in the true meaning of the words "out of body experience" versus a Phase shift. You could liken the OBE experience to be a "outer" experience, whereas Phasing is a shift "in", akin to a "daydream". Both are considered, non local/ordinary states of consciousness though.

 Very cool Jessie!  

I like how you said that all you did was "imagine" a single doorway and then you allowed the scene to take on a life of it's own. That really is how easy it is. It is "we" that make it more difficult then it needs to be. Great Job!   You will find that those "doorways" are infinite. You can also learn to target certain ones for some really interesting explorations and adventures. I like to number them or put a title/name on the door.

That was "phasing". You said you never phased during this whole experience, but what you posted above was a Phase session and a successful one at that. Don't get caught up in the "labels". Just don your "explorer's hat" and go experience!  

Thank you Lumaza I really appreciate the comprehensive responses! I'm going to go through these threads and work on my routine. Interestingly enough someone non-physical must have been keen to the fact that I am trying to hone my projection skills because I had some spontaneous experiences this morning that I believe were tests. I'm going to start a new thread in the Experiences board to see if I can get some ideas on how to overcome this challenge. Seems like I've been assigned quite a lot of homework but boy am I grateful for it 

I have found that "they", whoever "they" may be are quite eager to help. The thing is, they will never do the work for you or even force you to it. Everything is about "choice" there. When they see your effort, they reach out a guiding hand to help. You don't always have to see them, you just have to be consciously aware of the path they are assisting or leading you to.

My first Mentor was my deceased Brother-in Law. He taught me how to navigate the NPRs (Non Physical Realm/Realities). The lesson on "depth  perception" was especially cool! 
I talked about that episode in this post found here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html;msg375817#msg375817

Any feedback is much appreciated!

My intuition says you passed your test! Congratulations! 

So would you suggest  mental ritual -> relaxation -> noticing?

I used that format when I was new to this practice, with great results. All three of them are very helpful. Many people have a hard time turning off the physical. Mental preparation, as in ritual, does just that, it prepares you mind for what you are about to do. It's like turning on and off a light switch.

Next, you can't really begin noticing, if your focus is still on your tense body. So, some kind of progressive relaxation or dissociative tech comes in handy here. Once again, it does not have to be a lengthy process. In the beginning, yes, it should be. That is, until you get used to it. I wrote a great one in my Doorway thread years ago.

Lastly, there is the noticing. I can't just sit there and stare at the darkness for half an hour or so. I need to be more proactive. That's when I mentally begin to "enter" the darkness. I say it seems like a tunnel, hallway or cave, because as mentally enter it, I begin to see visuals that seem to be on the "walls" of whatever I am entering or I can see light or visuals at the end of the whatever the "poral" I have entered. I definitely feel the "etheric motion" as well. Like one does when they are in a forward movement. One of my favorites is engaging in a Rollercoaster or driving of some sort act. That quickly produces "mental associations" to go with the act at hand. That part begins with a very brief creative visualization, but soon takes on a life of it's own.

Where does the whole mental rundown bit come into play or am I getting ahead of myself? This is where the information overload is confusing me. Especially because I've done both the traditional coming out of the body and phasing but I'm thinking the key similarity to both these methods is the fundamental mental focusing that is required as a prepatory stage to either your focus being to come out or go within.

The mental rundown is whatever creative visualization you wish to use. That begins after you are already physical relaxed and have disassociated yourself from your physical focus.

If you have done both ways, go with the one that created the best results and felt not only comfortable, but "right" to you as well. A simple "driving simulation" can create great results. Why? Because we all know how that feels. You don't have to image the entire path. Start at your driveway. Turn whatever direction you like and start driving.
"Feel the motion" of accelerating. "Feel" every twist and turn. Allow the road you are travelling to take you to where it wants to go, to see what it wants to show you. In other words, release your control and trust.  I think that's where most people get hung up. They have to maintain complete control of every step. You have to learn trust in this practice. This is when allowing your curiosity to take over the reigns is very beneficial to your continued success.

I talked more about the "driving simulation" experience in the "Phantom Wiggle" thread found here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_exactly_do_you_perform_the_phantom_wiggle_method-t44583.0.html

I wrote these other threads years ago to help people with learning how to utilize "etheric motion" too. When I was new to this practice, I loved exploring (still do) and finding new things. I was guided through a lot of it. But I listened and learned how to utilize what I was being told. That constant exploration all kept this practice "new" to me.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/cycling-t45973.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/cloud_9_and_beyond-t44871.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/practice_but_practice_what-t39372.0.html

Thank you!

I've found the best progressive relaxation for me has been that Intro to Focus 10 track on CD1 by Robert Monroe. I was doing that everyday for about 2-3 weeks until I found I was able to get into that mode which I thought was Focus 10 but was really more like Focus 3. Are you suggesting I stick with that longer? I'm trying to put together a good little practice routine for myself, would you say going through Intro to Focus 10; then 30 min-1 hr of noticing exercise would be a good start? At what point should I move on from noticing to mental rundown?

I listened to a few of the Monroe CDs. But I can't really remember the relaxation that he used. I am sure it was a "progressive relaxation" of some type though. ...and yes, stay with it longer. I have found many times that it's all that you need to do before you just find yourself "there". Wherever "there" might be!  

I think what also gets me off-track is I'll be practicing to have a conscious projection, fall asleep, have a spontaneous projection, get all jazzed up then try to leap into phasing "for real" without the prepatory work the next time I go in then of course it doesn't work  

That catches many people too. "Information overload" will make that happen. Stick to one focus. Do you just wish to just find yourself "there" or do you want all the bells and whistles of a full-fledged OBE? It gets very confusing and will cause a lot of disappointment when you are new, when you combine the two of them.

I sometimes think if I do have a non-physical mentor, they throw me a bone every now and again and help me to spontaneously project then chuckle to themselves when they see me fall into the same old trap all the while gently trying to encourage 'Jessie will you stick to a damn routine already!'

Lol, get used to it. I wrote a thread called "Tests, Quests and Challenges" years ago here on the Pulse just for that reason. They are aplenty in the NPRs. But they are in this physical realm as well.

If I may give you a further tip, this is a example of my sessions. The first is a preparatory ritual that I use. As soon as start it, the "shift" is already occurring. I attempted in the past to explain to people here that a "ritual" of some shape or form is great method of "brain entrainment". Why I loved the use of Binaural Beats and Isochronic Tones was, they taught me how to recognize the changes in my brain frequency. I could discern the difference between a Alpha, Beta, Delta and even a Theta state of being.

My ritual begins with creating the appearance of temple surrounding me and the area I am in. I then do a little Mantra that goes like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrs9zlOW1U
I repeat it mentally three times. I add accompanying visual to each syllable too. The word Ra, represents the Sun and fire, Ma, the water, Da, is the Earth and Sa Say So Hung is a build up to an outpouring of energy. So for Ra, it would be a flame or the Sun, for Ma, some kid of scene with water flowing, Da, an Earth like, trees, land visual and lastly Sa Sa Soh, would be lifting up into Spirit and then a brief explosion output of energy from within to show Hung. This only takes a minute or so. It took me longer to type this than it did for that very brief ritual. But, like I said, that's "brain entrainment". Doing my Phase sessions in the bathtub would also be a ritual of sorts. You don't have to use mine. Mine works for me. I tailored it to. I had help with that from a "NP Mentor", as you put it too. So, I knew it was just what I needed.

Rituals of this sort are what really aide you in a mental preparation for the task at hand. Why do you think they use it in the practice of "Magick"?  It's because Magick in a nutshell is "focused will and intent". The rituals are mental preparation for the task at hand.

 At this point, I think "progressive relaxation" is something you should do. Not only does it completely relax and turn your physical body off, it also can lead to an unexpected Phase shift or OBE. Consume your "entire" focus in a good progressive relaxation session. Make the first couple of ones lengthy, until you are consciously aware of it and used to the feeling that the progressive relaxation creates. Once you are accustomed to it, you can shorten the focus on it. I do a progressive relaxation from toe to head in about 5 minutes now. When I first started in this practice, my progressive relaxation sessions consumed the entire practice for that day. That took anywhere from 15-45 minutes. ...and it feels so good!  

With continued practice, you will get to see what it is like to dissociate yourself from your physical body in just a few minutes. I can't tell you the value of learning a skill like that. You have to find out for yourself.

Jessie, you can use this thread here to ask any questions you wish. EscapeVelocity made a great thread years ago called the "Astral Hotline". Unfortunately. it has a lot of dust on it from being wayyyyyyyyyyyy underused. We figured that it would stay active and by staying active, it would be a great source of information for anyone new to this Forum here or those that are lurking in the shadows as well. That's what we had hoped. But so far, it hasn't worked out that way. There are so many great threads on the Astral Pulse Forums, the problem is they never stay active. so, they disappear into the Astral Pulse "abyss"!  

Would you say the key element here is the "seeing" whatever is "shown" to you, or is it the "feeling of movement" that's more important?
Do you intentionally create the sensation or does it just happen by itself because that's your intent?

I image you could even do this with eyes open, if the sensation is all that's needed.

My only intent at the time is to move forward into the darkness before me. For me though, it's the combination of the tactile sensation forward or whichever direction I am focused on moving in and the visuals that begin appearing, that seem to lead me deeper in. Soon, I am locked onto the new reality that has presented itself to me. If that visual begins to fade, I just re-focus my attention once again on the dark "cave, tunnel, or hallway" before me, until things begin to appear again.

 Wow, Baro, there is a lot of info compressed into those links!   

I created my Doorway technique as a process/technique that utilizes the Hypnosis methodology. It aides one in creating a good state of trance. What they do then is up to them. Just mentally entering into the darkness before your closed eyes is enough to totally consume your entire focus and create a good deep trance state. The trick is to let go of everything else. That means, no distractions from the physical for the duration of that session.

With people that are new to this practice, they soon find out how unwilling your physical body is to release said focus. It will fight back tooth and nail to keep you solely bonded with/to it. That is why "practice, practice, practice" is such an important thing.

I'm wondering if that is something that the mind learns not to do through repeated exposure? Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

Hi Jessie. It is that "repeated exposure" that aides you. When I get to the point you are at, I allow my curiosity to take me further in, At that point, I have no clue what my physical body is doing. It is on "auto-pilot" and I am free from it's bond. The trick is to "hold on loosely, but don't let go". Those are also the words from a song a that a 80's rock band named "38 Special" sings. But it's kind of what you need to do. If hold too tightly, you lose control, as in, you become too caught up in the new scene and then either suffer a "click out" or you just fall completely asleep.

I wlll tell you one thing though, you are right about the hour to hour and half time limit. In the beginning, it took me anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour and half to finally be able to "let go". This is because it is "us" that gets in the way. In the beginning, there are all kinds of "distractions" that seem to make this much harder than it is.

Don't take this as boasting, but now it takes me a few minutes to "be there". That's what happens after years of practice. I do my, what I call "Phase soak sessions", in my bathtub. I am about 6 foot 2 inches tall. My bathtub isn't even 5 feet long. So my body is crammed into the bathtub. Actually my legs are climbing up a wall at the end of my bathtub. But after a few minutes, I don't feel anything any more. I just mentally traverse down the darkness that I see before my eyes and allow it the freedom to show me what I need to see or teach me what I need to learn. I see the darkness before my eyes as a "tunnel, cave, hallway, etc., something that I can mentally enter.

["A guide for OBE induction"]

"A guide for OBE induction"
https://www.evanlab.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/D5-A-GUIDE-FOR-OBE-INDUCTION.pdf



'Hypno-Channelings: A New Tool for the Investigation of Channeling Experiences'
https://www.academia.edu/64931483/Hypno_Channelings_A_New_Tool_for_the_Investigation_of_Channeling_Experiences

'Contents of dialogues with "Him"'. "Him" is an entity they contacted and who answered a lot of questions. It is a very dense in information document.
https://figshare.com/ndownloader/files/24128846

Welcome back my friend!  It's been a while since you last posted. We missed you here and your valued contributions to this Forum! 

Thank You for sharing the links!  It looks like I have some reading to do now!

 Like the REO Speedwagon song says, "you have to roll with the changes"!  

Life is about growth and growth comes through all the changes we go through in our lifetime(s)!