I still can't have any OBE

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NoY

#50
March 10, 2012, 23:25:52
Congratz  8-)


:NoY:

Georgep

#51
March 11, 2012, 09:56:34
Can someone please maybe tell me if that it was a lucid dream or an OOBE (which had some strange events -like I saw a head in the dark e.t.c.-)? As I've said before, when I woke up all of my body was pitching. Is this a thing that you can "achieve" after an OOBE or from a Lucid Dream too?

Thanks in advance!

Lionheart

#52
March 11, 2012, 10:03:05
 I would say you had a classic OBE. A Lucid Dream is where you become aware in an already dream state. They are one in the same though. I have a number of Phase sessions when I am physical one moment and Astral the next without having any feeling of leaving my body. It's just turning one switch off and another one on.
Congratulations on your first success, may you have many more!  :-)

Georgep

#53
March 11, 2012, 10:08:13
Quote from: Lionheart on March 11, 2012, 10:03:05
I would say you had a classic OBE. A Lucid Dream is where you become aware in an already dream state. They are one in the same though. I have a number of Phase sessions when I am physical one moment and Astral the next without having any feeling of leaving my body. It's just turning one switch off and another one on.
Congratulations on your first success, may you have many more!  :-)
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Thanks Lionheart. You really made my day.  :-D
I'll try again tonight. I hope I'll have an OOBE again, 'cause it was a wonderful feeling.
Thanks again!

Xanth

#54
March 11, 2012, 11:13:28
Quote from: Georgep on March 11, 2012, 10:08:13
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Thanks Lionheart. You really made my day.  :-D
I'll try again tonight. I hope I'll have an OOBE again, 'cause it was a wonderful feeling.
Thanks again!
My opinion...

If you're consciously aware of who you are (ie: You know your history, your life, where you work... you know the being that is you) while you're in a reality which you recognize as NOT being this physical reality... then you're "projecting".

Lucid... astral... whatever... that doesn't matter.  The point is that you became consciously aware while in a different reality.  :)

Grats!

Rudolph

#55
March 11, 2012, 14:09:43
QuoteThen, in the dark I saw a head, probably it was... Me

Sounds like classic OBE projection. Excellent start.

Question, re: the "Head" and "flashlight"...

Have you spent any serious time studying Hermetic or Rosicrucian type subjects?

You wonder if it is real? Of course it is real, but on an Inner Level that is connected to this physical awareness but not the way so many try to make it.
Beware the fake "seeker" who finds Truth to be abusive.

Georgep

#56
March 11, 2012, 16:03:11 Last Edit: March 11, 2012, 16:05:08 by Georgep
Quote from: Rudolph on March 11, 2012, 14:09:43
Have you spent any serious time studying Hermetic or Rosicrucian type subjects?
No, I haven't.
Quote from: Rudolph on March 11, 2012, 14:09:43
You wonder if it is real? Of course it is real, but on an Inner Level that is connected to this physical awareness but not the way so many try to make it.
Sorry for asking you all the time guys, but my English are not so good and I can't undestand everything very good.
What you mean with "but not the way so many try to make it" Rudolph?


Today, I've been thinking of my experience every hour. I can't... Forget it. As I've said before, it was something so fantastic and strange, together and I found another thing that it got me thinking again for the event I had (whatever it was: a lucid dream or an OOBE). As I said, in my experience I saw a flashlight and a head. The room I was it communicates directly with another room and they have a door between them. That door, every time it is closed, but in my experience it wasn't. The light was coming from the other room, and as I can remember, the door was open. Can this mean anything more?

Also, the time I saw... the head (that I am 98% sure that it was my head), I could only see it when the light got on it.


Sorry for being so analytical.

embrace

#57
March 12, 2012, 01:39:40
Don't bother with all those techniques until you learn how to achieve a conscious sleep paralysis. All the techniques are to be used WHEN YOU GET INTO SLEEP PARALYSIS (I wish somebody had told me this when I was struggling with it). So, focus on sleep paralysis - once you get it right, it will be very easy to achieve an OOBE from there.

Lionheart

#58
March 12, 2012, 02:08:05
 I have found that a Light/Sound Machine will put you in a state of sleep paralysis in less than 15 minutes. It becomes a great launching pad to the Astral.There are many different ones on the market. It is well worth the price if you are really serious and shows yourself your true level of commitment. But you can definitely learn to do it without a machine, the L/S machine just creates a shortcut. I have been studying it's effect to see if it could truly aide someone brand new to this concept to achieve quick success. It is training wheels, but you can always take training wheels off once you don't need them anymore.

Xanth

#59
March 12, 2012, 23:19:04
Quote from: embrace on March 12, 2012, 01:39:40
Don't bother with all those techniques until you learn how to achieve a conscious sleep paralysis. All the techniques are to be used WHEN YOU GET INTO SLEEP PARALYSIS (I wish somebody had told me this when I was struggling with it). So, focus on sleep paralysis - once you get it right, it will be very easy to achieve an OOBE from there.
Sleep Paralysis isn't required.  Just thought I'd point that out.

Georgep

#60
March 13, 2012, 14:28:57
@embrace: The problem with me I think that it's that when I am trying to OOBE, I try so many methods (phase to just hearing to my breathing e.t.c.) that in the end, it doesn't matter how hard I try.

todd421757

#61
March 13, 2012, 15:16:45 Last Edit: March 13, 2012, 16:47:30 by todd421757
Do you get any of the pre-OBE symptoms consistently? I think you should start with getting 2 of those consistently first. The OBE's can come later after you master 2 of the following: vibrations, trance, sleep paralysis, rocking sensations, hearing high pitch sounds in head, seeing white or golden light behind eyelids, etc.

Everyone feels different variations of the pre-OBE symptoms. There are many more than this. Find out which ones are most compatible with you.

Try to keep your mind focused and passive during practice sessions. Stop your mind from chattering.

Georgep

#62
March 14, 2012, 08:35:51
Yesterday night, I tried again.

The story (it will be short, hopefully :lol:): First I relaxed all my body, with exercises I've seen from this video that you can find on YouTube: Fast Relaxation For Lucid Dreams And OBEs. Then, I layed down. I was so relaxed that quickly I got a buzzing sound in my right ear (dont ask me why I heard it only from the right...). Then, I relaxed even more and vibrations started. That's the spot I lost it. While I was having vibrations, I didn't know what to do, so I tried to relax even more, which, as I can see again from a video on YouTube (OBE Vibrations & 3 Ways To Tell How Close You Are To An OBE), it's the best option. But then, I couldn't do anything to get out of my body. I'll try again tonight, but, can you tell me, if I reach again this point, what to do?

Thanks in advance, and thank you for all your help!  :-)

Georgep

#63
March 14, 2012, 14:51:33
Any idea for today? Sorry for double posting, but I want to try again in the night and the point I have problems is after vibrations. I don't know If I will reach vibrations again, but, if u can, please give me your idea on what to do after I reach them.

Thanks again and sorry (for another time) for double posting.

todd421757

#64
March 14, 2012, 15:07:15
You can try to separate once you feel a faint tug which happens around the same time as the vibrations start. It is hard to find at first. When you get the tug, you can try rolling out of your body, lifting up out of your body, raising your soul through the top of the head, or by just willing yourself to another location.

I find it impossible to separate during the intense part of the vibrations. It is only possible to separate at the beginning or end of the vibrations. Not in the middle of them. At least for me, this is what I found.



Georgep

#65
March 14, 2012, 15:10:42
Thanks you very much Todd!

And one more question that I can't undestand. When we say for example "then, rollover to get out of your body", you mean to actually try to move or just think about rolling/moving. Or for example, when you say "lift up your body", you mean for example to try raise my hand, or thinking of raising it? Because, I know that when trying to OBE, you must not move a muscle.

And, how will I know that I am out? Can I open my eyes? I'll feel it? I will suddenly get away from my body and can see it?

todd421757

#66
March 14, 2012, 15:29:42
It's more of a thinking or willing to move versus using your muscles. Lifting up is more of your ENTIRE soul rising like steam towards the ceiling not just an arm.

You will know you are out because you can move by willing yourself and you will feel floaty. You can also look at your hand during an OBE. If it seems to melt at the fingertips, you are definitely out of body.

You can ask me anything you want. I'll try to answer it to the best of my ability.

Georgep

#67
March 14, 2012, 15:33:30
Thank you Todd! You and all the other people here are incredible!  :-)

I don't think that I have anything more to ask right now. I'll give it a try again tonight. I hope that, someday and somehow, I'll do it.

Georgep

#68
March 16, 2012, 20:05:15
Here I am again, with a... new question.  :-D

I'm really confused now about... What really astral travel (or OBE) is? First of all, they are the same? Also, when you astral travel/OBE, you really get out of your body or you are just...as I have heard from many others "very consciousness about what is going on"? And everything that you see when you are Astral projecting is real or, as I said, is "in your mind"? I don't know if you can undestand what I am asking, but I think that I don't know yet what AP/OBE is.

Contenteo

#69
March 16, 2012, 22:55:44
You will know when you are out of body. It is highly apparent. "Floaty" is a great way to describe it.

As for the rollout. You should just unconsciously do it. If you have to try and rollout, you are focusing on having a OBE too much. Just discipline yourself and try a drowsy attempt exit.

Cheers,
Contenteo

Asmo

#70
March 18, 2012, 07:43:26
Sorry if this comes a bit late, I admit I didn't read through the whole thread. I just wanted to say from my own experience, that if your main goal for now is to just experience a few OBE's to gain confidence or something, you should try the technique which can be found in the book in Whoamiii111's signature. That technique basically allowed me to wake up directly to sleep paralysis and thus skip the difficult part of achieving SP from an awakened state. For my first few weeks I tried to induce sleep paralysis directly when awake, but my excitement, impatience and uncertainty made it really difficult. But when I switched my technique to waking up to sleep paralysis and immediately separating, I succeeded three times within the same week. Now that I know I can do it and what it is like, and after receiving some confirmation from the wonderful people in this forum, all my impatience and expectations are gone and I can start practicing the other technique again while focusing on the process itself, not the goal.

Rudolph

#71
March 18, 2012, 12:19:04
Quote from: Contenteo on March 16, 2012, 22:55:44
You will know when you are out of body. It is highly apparent. "Floaty" is a great way to describe it.

Actually if I use the rollout method, sometimes I will feel like I just rolled out physically and standing next to my bed and I am not sure if I am really out. I do a little hop and start "floating" as you said, and that is the clear indication of the OBE condition.
Beware the fake "seeker" who finds Truth to be abusive.

Georgep

#72
March 18, 2012, 18:09:41
Thank you Asmo  :-)

I'll try this technique in the next weekend, 'cause now I don't have the benefit to try it, as I have to get up early.

Thanks again.  :-)

Georgep

#73
March 25, 2012, 17:14:50 Last Edit: March 25, 2012, 17:18:19 by Georgep
Still no success..... I've tried meditating the last weeks every day. I'm not excited of having an OBE so much as the first days anymore, so my excitement does not affect my performance. I know I have to try more, but If I don't have any success at it, how can it keep me to continue? Can you suggest me any other method I can use?

Thank you very much.
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