Planet X

[Stillwater]

WW3 has already begun though!
Man vs Nature!!   

I think, sadly, we're losing this one...

Nature always wins. It got here first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw0jwrWqOKI

[kurtykurt42]

So if I understand this statement correctly, you don't care if there is a war which obliterates 90% of the population as a result, just so long as this new technology is released? This sounds sorta' selfish 

Why do you care so much? I could care less if this entire galaxy was obliterated, let alone 90% of our little planet. Anyways, who's to say the afterlife isn't any better then where we are now.

[Xanth]

Why do you care so much? I could care less if this entire galaxy was obliterated, let alone 90% of our little planet. Anyways, who's to say the afterlife isn't any better then where we are now.

Because *IF* the goal of being here is to lower your entropy through becoming closer to an ever loving state... you can understand how your approach would be the exact opposite of that. 

[kurtykurt42]

Because *IF* the goal of being here is to lower your entropy through becoming closer to an ever loving state... you can understand how your approach would be the exact opposite of that. 

Not a big fan of that "ever loving state"... My goal is to learn, experience and explore.

[Stillwater]

But then why would you want something like free-energy technology, for the purpose of learning and exploring, if the method of its release is quite nearly certain to kill you to begin with? That is like saying that I want a new computer, since I feel it will enrich my life, and I am willing to play Russian roulette for a few rounds as payment; in the case we are discussing, however, not only do you play Russian roulette, but everyone else on the planet as well, lol. If the goal is enrichment of lives... doesn't it seem pointless... if no one is... ALIVE ?

Yes... it is okay if the entire galaxy is destroyed, it will not change the fundamental condition of our existence, but then, that does not mean that it is advisable for this to happen, or that we ought to be entirely neutral if we are presented with the choice of whether or not this should occurr, or that we should wantonly risk destruction for temporary gains.

[kurtykurt42]

But then why would you want something like free-energy technology, for the purpose of learning and exploring, if the method of its release is quite nearly certain to kill you to begin with? That is like saying that I want a new computer, since I feel it will enrich my life, and I am willing to play Russian roulette for a few rounds as payment; in the case we are discussing, however, not only do you play Russian roulette, but everyone else on the planet as well, lol. If the goal is enrichment of lives... doesn't it seem pointless... if no one is... ALIVE ?

When did I say that I wanted free-energy technology? If it would destroy the planet, then I'd probably pass on it but who's to say it will. Free-energy technology is just the first step to understanding more advanced technologies such as interstellar travel, time travel and teleportation. If we can't deal with free-energy tech, how are we going to deal with those?

[Stillwater]

When did I say that I wanted free-energy technology?

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yesterday:

Eventually we'll all be driving free-energy anti-gravity ships but those in power are trying to hold on to all there money and power for as long as they can.

Also, from the research i've done on free-energy technology, it seems to be based on the same physics as UFO propulsion technology.

You express the idea that it is a negative state that those in power are witholding these technologies, and you follow this by saying you are researching it for yourself- the implication is that you have some interest.

[kurtykurt42]

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yesterday:

Quote?

You express the idea that it is a negative state that those in power are witholding these technologies, and you follow this by saying you are researching it for yourself- the implication is that you have some interest.

I researched it to see if it's possible.

And I said the technology will be released eventually and I could care less how it's introduced to the public.

[kailaurius]

WW3 has already begun though!
Man Nature vs Nature!!   

I think, sadly, we're losing this one...

Sounds like balance. 

Nature always wins. It got here first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw0jwrWqOKI

I wonder though, how did Nature "get" here or anywhere, and what does it win "against"?  If it got here "first", what came afterwards?

[Stillwater]

[1]I wonder though, how did Nature "get" here or anywhere, and [2] what does it win "against"? [3] If it got here "first", what came afterwards?

(1) Nature is all existent forms and systems, in every mode of existence. In the narrower sense, nature is today most often used to refer to the totality of the the physical earth system, and the balance it is held in; so it was here first because in the broader sense, existence was the very first thing, and in the narrower sense, because the earth system preceded human habitation within it.

(2) Nature prevails against tampering by outlasting the tamperers. Existence will continue despite anyone's efforts, and some form of earth system will continue to persist regardless of what humanity does to itself or the earth.

(3) Humanity's habitation within the earth system came after the earth system's creation.

[kailaurius]

(1) Nature is all existent forms and systems, in every mode of existence. In the narrower sense, nature is today most often used to refer to the totality of the the physical earth system, and the balance it is held in; so it was here first because in the broader sense, existence was the very first thing, and in the narrower sense, because the earth system preceded human habitation within it.

(2) Nature prevails against tampering by outlasting the tamperers. Existence will continue despite anyone's efforts, and some form of earth system will continue to persist regardless of what humanity does to itself or the earth.

(3) Humanity's habitation within the earth system came after the earth system's creation.

Ahh, I see.  That's cool.    Thanks.

For myself, my perception of nature is somewhat similar, just in a different flavour. 

[Stillwater]

Yeah, no problem- just clearing up what I meant. Was half joking with the original post lol, but the statements do have literal meaning too 

[kurtykurt42]

(1) Nature is all existent forms and systems, in every mode of existence. In the narrower sense, nature is today most often used to refer to the totality of the the physical earth system, and the balance it is held in; so it was here first because in the broader sense, existence was the very first thing, and in the narrower sense, because the earth system preceded human habitation within it.

(2) Nature prevails against tampering by outlasting the tamperers. Existence will continue despite anyone's efforts, and some form of earth system will continue to persist regardless of what humanity does to itself or the earth.

(3) Humanity's habitation within the earth system came after the earth system's creation.

Where do you come up with this stuff? Let me see if I can translate.

(1) Nature = planet?

(2) People < Nature

(3) People live on planets

I guess this all still doesn't have much to do with planet X but oh well! 

[Stillwater]

Where do you come up with this stuff? Let me see if I can translate.

(1) Nature = planet?

(2) People < Nature

(3) People live on planets

I guess this all still doesn't have much to do with planet X but oh well! 

No-

1) Only in the narrowest reading. Nature is properly all of existence, in every way and means it is possible to exist. To say "=" would be to say the terms are always identical, which is not true.

2) Yes, by necessity. A whole is greater than a set of its incomplete parts. The original statement 2 was more about the certainty that one would outlast the other though, rather than the comparative value of each.

3) While this is true, the original statement 3 was more about order of appearance, rather than what lives where.

This stuff is getting pedantic, lol. 

[kurtykurt42]

This stuff is getting pedantic, lol. 

Then why make confusing random posts in the first place?

[Stillwater]

I was answering the questions asked by a previous poster individually, hence the numbering.

[akashicpulse]

Dont worry it will seem like nothing ever happened to the chosen. Most of you persons should be fine.

[Stookie]

Chosen by who for what?

[Stillwater]

Chosen by who for what?

[Tee1234]

How many of y'all think planet X is really going to ram into earth?

If there is a so called PlanetX and the time comes when it becomes visible, then I believe there is something to be feared. For just the fact that the Mayans were correct about its existence has to give some credibility to what they say might happen.

One things for sure, were all gonna know if it exists well before the due date. Theres no hiding it.
There would be way more to fear then just the planet, also everything its dragging with it.

[Stillwater]

What do you mean when you say the Mayans knew about Planet X? Most of the theories I have heard link it rather to the Sumerians.

[Tee1234]

What do you mean when you say the Mayans knew about Planet X? Most of the theories I have heard link it rather to the Sumerians.

...whatever

Sumerians were around thousands of years before the Mayans. So yeah, it dates back that far. But the Mayan calender ending in 2012 is what generates all the publicity.

[Xanth]

...whatever

Sumerians were around thousands of years before the Mayans. So yeah, it dates back that far. But the Mayan calender ending in 2012 is what generates all the publicity.

Yeah, but the Mayans have, literally, nothing to do with the Sumerians.

Most people just try to throw enough sticky crap at a wall in the hopes that SOMETHING will stick to it. 

The Mayan Calendar also doesn't "end".  It's a cycle, it just starts over again.  People have blown this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.

[Tee1234]

Yeah, but the Mayans have, literally, nothing to do with the Sumerians.

Most people just try to throw enough sticky crap at a wall in the hopes that SOMETHING will stick to it. 

The Mayan Calendar also doesn't "end".  It's a cycle, it just starts over again.  People have blown this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.

I wouldnt say start over, but the beginning of a new era. But for that to happen an era has to end.

..end of the 3rd, beginning of the 4th, look at it however you like.

[Xanth]

I guess what I meant was that it's just the continuation of a cycle.