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LOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!
I don't think so!! ))  ... they'd lock me up or something lol

have you had an OBE?

Had 2 a few months ago ..but those were from a lucid dream , I never was able to slip consciously into the trance state but i have a feeling that will change  "says my will"

no really, not from fear...I am not afraid of OBE , nahhh ...it's actualy something I look forward too and it's so cool

Thanks for replying!

Well, I don't do any breathing technique actually, I just observed my breath that's all , then the prob came on ...I don't know what it is..

And there's not much of a point going to the doc, like I said, the tests were great and the docs were puzzled as to what this could be ....

same v_v

Are you continuing with the AP program?

Yes.

I looked through the table of contents on Amazon,on page 314, it talks about breathwork problems.
Have you read that to see if helps?

Going to read about that , still on day 7 now

Before you started this program, did you do any kind of breathing exercises?

No.

When you say it's hard to breathe, is there any pain?

Yes , sometimes there is this sharp pain

Or is it that you feel like you are just not taking in enough air? Do you feel dizzy?

That too..I feel like I am not taking enough oxygen inside , not enough for my brain to give me the signal "Ok, enough in breath now, you can let out now"  ...it feels like I need just a little more air but I can't take it  ...not dizzy.

It's soooo frustrating me ...      

Yes well now I have the problem even during the day ... it is just hard to breath now! Not just while doing meditation, but all the time >_<  ...oh bummer! ...I know it's not a medical problem since I have done my tests and they all came out good.
This is frustrating...any thoughts on how I can deal with this ?

Hello everyone,

I have been trying to OBE for a long time now but just recently I have begun reading Robert Bruce & Brian Mercer's book Projection in 90 Days... and I have made progress but at the 5'Th day while relaxing ... I have started to have breathing problems , like I can;t get sufficient air inside me and it's very hard to breath ... I have been having this weird symbolic dreams with black animals (for 4 days) and at night while meditating for obe I sometimes see images of rituals and skeletons and stuff like that >_<  ...  why is that ?  what's wrong with me ... It seems that when Night approaches I can't breath so well and can't even meditate now because of this ....

Thank You! ... I will do that ...

Hey everybody...
So yeah, I should start by telling a little about myself.Ok, I started this whole OBE thing a couple of years back now and I noticed back then that I always fall asleep every time I try to OBE(probably because I practice during the Night) but if I am not tired enough I can sit there for like HOURS and nothing happens... probably feel like spinning a little but that's it... it becomes annoying then and I have to move and then I totally break concentration and I am back to ground 0 again! ...it is so annoying!

And now I have the same problem, I tried listening to something while doing the projection but still nothing, my mind wonders in space with it's own business and it's really hard. I haven't had any projections yet...although had about 7 chances to get out (from Lucid Dreams, which I must say they are more rare than gold to me   ) ... hmm.... Can anyone share his/her opinion on what I could do ?
Thanks a bunch...it would really mean a lot to me

uhm...I am not really sure but I would say that spirits stay about 2 weeks before going. But that's just a random guess, because spirits can stay as much as they like here, if they don't want to go , they don't!   To contact him, it takes a certain clairvoiant abillity, perhaps you could ask someone around where you live who has this abillity and he/she could help you out.
I'm sorry about your grandfather

Well ,lol, you have to have patience. It is good that you can get at that stage. OBE takes time, and your body needs to learn and to get adjusted to these things.
When you get at that stage imagine that golden energy surrounds you and fills you with energy and after that imagine any action that involves going DOWN...going down a stairway, going down a ladder anything, or you can just say this over and over in your mind " DEEP, DEEPER, THE DEEPEST....TRANCE TRANCE TRANCE TRANCE TRANCE...DEEP DEEPER THE DEEPEST....etc "
If you have not practicing energy development I recommend you do it. Oh and yes, expect a bumpy ride, vibes and stuff...this might not happen and you might just OBE easier, but I recommend you be prepared.

Good Luck!

I know VERY well what you are talking about. I have the same problem during my meditation and during my normal state. It's like this "thing" is trying to push my mind into insinity, keeps saying bad stuff that I KNOW are not mine. Try to block him as much as you can and do the following exercise every day:
Stand with your feet on the ground and imagine that roots begin to grow from your feet into the earth until it gets to the core, then imagine that white-golden-pure light is pooring over your head and it cleans your mind, soul, body and imagine the dark energies going out into the earth's core...Then imagine that a pair of hands keeps bringing the energy from the core and cleansing you.

MontanaHayseed:

Hmm..interesting experience, the one with the lucid dream where you heard that voice telling you --->"You are in violation of your agreement... If this continues your existence will be terminated".  <----  
...Just wanted to point out to you that that was a NEG(Negative entity) and not astral police...NEGs try to discourage people into doing spiritual work. While seeing that what you did, waking up people was surely something that made the NEGs ...pretty angry.

I wonder how astral jails look like? LOL  

Well?....lol the man asked a question and I wanted to ask the same thing just now, so I decided to better post here and see if anyone knows how to do this?
I myself keep falling asleep all the time and can't get into S.P. so it's very hard to maintain awerness and it totaly wastes time because I keep falling asleep and loosing precios meditation time.
Any tips?

heter

Vibes or vibrations are totaly not necessary for OBE...I don't feel them either.
Vibrations are just symptoms of projection, sometimes you get 'em sometimes you don't...You might never get them, it really depends on you and how developed your energy body is.

It's normal for somebody to question these experiences at some point but you must remember that OBE is a very powerful event. During an OBE you use a lot of energy and that causes your energy body to expand and that's when psychic abilities "chick in" ...Now how are you going to explain telekinesis, clairvoyance and all is something else but that's just proof that OBE is NOT fake and that it is a spiritual event that brings you closer to a lot of things. You should try doing some energy work and try doing Telekinesis and clairvoiance...You'll soon find out that you can do incredible things in the psychical world!

About the roar sound that has been spoken of in the early posts...what exactly does it sound?
Is it (exactly) like the sound you hear when you yawn? ...I'm curious about this because I can reproduce that sound without flexing any muscles whatsoever...I just do it like anything else(move my hand, fingers,etc) ...

I haven't been able to do it YET...but I will . So can I hear your first projection, it's always nice to hear somebody else's experiences.

DId you know that you can download Robert Monroe's book...Jorney out of The Body, it's free and all I downloaded it but can't find the link...I have to search for it again and I'll post it here

Me too dude. I'll see you there

I'm on the same path...I hope I'll do it in 2-3 weeks, I plan too...se ya there :p

*Follow the yellow brick road...follow the yellow brick road...Lalalalalalalalla....we're off we're off we're off we're off...we're off to see the astral...the wonderful astral of...uhm...OZ *

Oh sorry astral man...forgot about this post, sorry
If you want to call an (arch)angel say a prayer before and then ask them to come to you and help you with your projection but don't expect that the first time they come they will help you project, these things take time but they will definitely boost and accelerate your ability to project!....also you might want to call your guardian angel too and tell him to hold your hand and imagine that he does, and try to feel it...you see that when you get into a light trance you'll feel as if you are being hold by the hand.

I have a better ideea...
It is very difficult for another projector to find you and stuff ssoooo...(and since Robert Monroe was pulled out by a spirit) I was thinking you could call 2 Archangels to aid you in this...
Archangel Raphael and Michael are very nice and like to help people but you must have patience. This is not an easy task, to OBE, it requires a lot of discipline and all.
For how long have you been trying to OBE?

Ok, hello...I have read your first post (haven't read the rest-I don't have much time now ) sooo...I have an idea on how to get rid of them.
1: You have to face the one who is raping you, this is a recurring dream and therefore it is easier to get lucid in it so when you get lucid them kick his butt. Imagine some cool moves and some lethal weapons and make him regret it, after you've beaten him up pretty good I'l guarantee he won't come back again...
2: Just before you get to bed ask your guardian angel to come with you and hold your hand, tell him to held your hand and imagine that you are grabbing it and then go to sleep. Also after you call your guardian angel also call Archangel Michael and Raphael. They are very nice with people and LOVE to help everyone, trust me on this!

Either 1 or 2 will definitely work...try both!

Good Luck!

Have you heard the mp3 interviews on the main page?....Mr. Robert talks about psychical protection against these types of NEGs and that this threat exists and we must be aware of it... try them, they can be downloaded or you can listen to them directly from there....
Here's the linky: http://www.astraldynamics.com/library/?BoardID=74

Or you can go to www.astraldynamics.com ---> Library ---> Audio/Video---Interviews

You'll see that NEGs are NOT to be dispatched as simple negative beings and that there are very powerful things out there that we have to be prepared to face...although not very frequent but there are possibilities.

Cheers!