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Quote from: Robin Goodfellow on June 14, 2012, 07:46:26In Franks model it seems to me that the switch to Focus 12 would be like entering a WILD. Or is the lucid dream quality beyond Focus 12? Thats basically what Im wondering.
Quote from: Robin Goodfellow on June 14, 2012, 07:46:26I've been re-reading astral dynamics as I study Franks model. My current understanding is that once Focus 10 is reached you have 3 options. 1: Use a technique to move awareness beyond your physical/energetic body into the surrounding area to achieve a RTZ projecton. 2: Create a mental landscape or dreamscape and engage it with all senses until you phase into it. 3: Focus on the random mental imagery in a nonchalant way while intending to move beyond it to higher focus levels. What I'm seeking at the moment is entry into the 3D technicolor experience Frank called Focus 2. Im just curious where within the Monroe Focus levels that depth of experience lies. Is it Focus 12 or beyond?
Quote from: Contenteo on June 14, 2012, 16:25:03In my experience, that biggest thing that goes largely unsaid about this transition, is you cannot move your eyes. If you move your eyes for any reason, they'll 'turn back on' and you pop yourself out to F10. IMO, this is why Frank locked his eyeballs up above. Many other icons mention similar methods but never fully explain why. I suspect this F10-F12 transition is the case.
Quote from: Robin Goodfellow on June 15, 2012, 19:12:59Thanks you all for the replies I suppose I got the impression from reading Franks posts that phasing was a well honed method of entering a WILD, which is where my interest in phasing mostly lies. I've developed a personalized training regimen over the years of exercises in consciousness exploration and at the moment full blown OBE's aren't on top of my list. At the moment I'm focused on sensory concentration through active imagination techniques, and Franks model seemed conducive to that area of exploration. I am very interested in the MIT's gateway program and think I might give the program a try soon.
QuoteAs a side note I was reading 'Concentration' by Mouni Sadhu last night and thought the book would probably be of interest to those using phasing techniques. The book is a full course in concentration that teaches step by step how to focus your attention, shut off sensory stimulus, and expand consciousness beyond the physical through willed intent. Interestingly the advanced exercises begin with shutting off the visual and auditory senses as you expand the blackness to a 3D quality. Sadhu also used a 4 levels or reality model which corresponded to Waking, Dreaming, Dreamless Sleep, and a fourth state he simply mentioned was the Source of and interpenetrated the other 3 states.
Quote from: Robin Goodfellow on June 16, 2012, 00:11:00I think I've gotten all I needed from the original inquiry now. Am starting to remember why I used to frequent the Pulse back in the day, such diversity here. Ive had enough experience within nonphysical realities to find my way back, and I just don't think the phasing method adds anything to what I already know besides a new label. Ultimately I gotta follow my own drum beat, though I do enjoy relaxing while I appreciate the beat of a different drum once in a while. Good thoughts to you all
Quote from: Xanth on June 15, 2012, 22:50:00Phasing *IS* doing a WILD. They're metaphors describing the same thing.
Quote from: Pauli2 on June 16, 2012, 07:18:52Stephen LaBerge is the originator of the concept WILD.I know that F Kepple made little (some?) distinction between LDs and "projections".He further didn't like the expression OBE, but where is your source thatKepple-phasing is the same as WILD?Is it your own definition?
Quote from: Xanth on June 16, 2012, 10:43:56My sources are from my own personal direct experiences with lucid dreamingand phasing and making my own judgment calls on the results.To me, a WILD and Phasing are the exact same technique.
Quote from: Pauli2 on June 16, 2012, 11:57:24That's a bold statement.
QuoteBut perhaps you should be a little more clear what's your opinionand what's more common knowledge, as the original thread starterasked about F 12 and WILD., which are Monroe resp. LaBerge concepts,_not_ your specific experiences.
QuoteOne reason I think you should do so, is that I'm not longer sure thatyou and Kepple at all mean the same thing when you say "phasing".
Quote from: Szaxx on June 16, 2012, 13:56:00Hi,Agreeing to disagree comes to mind here initially.
QuoteHowever, if Pauli needs the experience then why not help to make this so?Something is amiss if you read and understand the initiation of this experience and can't make the full conscious transition to its end.Pauli, how can we help so your opinions on F12 are from personal experience?This must be annoying to say the least.
Quote from: Xanth on June 16, 2012, 14:45:44I think this discussion here helping Pauli in regards to Focus 12 could really assist Robin Goodfellow in regards to her original post to provide some extra guides for her in regards to Focus 12 and beyond.
Quote from: Robin Goodfellow on June 16, 2012, 19:11:34Him ..I have boy parts