Any people here who can project on demand anytime?

[Xanth]

Well, all I can say is that I firmly disagree.  I don't mean to function in a trance state 24/7.  However, a trance state is a small shift of Intent away from a Mindful state.  The states aren't different or separate... everything flows naturally from one to the next, there shouldn't be any separation.
Practicing it as a way of life as such has direct benefits in all parts of ones life.  Breaking up your practices into separate physical and non-physical aspects and keeping these separate from each other, while works fine (and honestly everyone needs to start somewhere, won't take you "as far" as if you begin taking it all into your being as a whole.

[Stookie_]

Breaking up your practices into separate physical and non-physical aspects and keeping these separate from each other, while works fine (and honestly everyone needs to start somewhere, won't take you "as far" as if you begin taking it all into your being as a whole.

I'm baffled... all I can guess is you don't understand what I'm saying.

I'm not saying breaking up practices. I'm saying when you're in your daily life, you need to focus on the physical. When you meditate, you focus away from it. Be mindful during both, but the 2 shouldn't overlap, it can cause mental disturbances and other things. I only said it as a warning to people who are attempting to be able to see into the astral all day long. It's the same as taking drugs... you need to be on the level, not tranced out.

[Lionheart]

I'm not saying breaking up practices. I'm saying when you're in your daily life, you need to focus on the physical. When you meditate, you focus away from it. Be mindful during both, but the 2 shouldn't overlap, it can cause mental disturbances and other things. I only said it as a warning to people who are attempting to be able to see into the astral all day long. It's the same as taking drugs... you need to be on the level, not tranced out.

It's worked wonders for Tom Campbell. Look where he is today. The only warning I would put on it is to watch that you don't lose touch on what is Astral and what is the Physical. As long as you are mindful of this, there is no harm. People have been daydreaming for years. It's good to take "time outs" to relax and release any stress you have. Psychologists have been telling people to do this for years.

[Stookie_]

I'm talking about states of consciousness more profound than daydreaming. I'm sure Thomas Campbell does not walk around in altered states of consciousness, he works from the physical after years of practice and experience.

It's not like I'm making this stuff up, this has been advice given for a long time among many schools of meditation. But I suppose not everyone is on such a hardcore path and tread much lighter, so to each his own.

[Lionheart]

 One of Tom's many jobs is as a threat assessor for many private organizations. So, he does spend quite a bit of time in the Wider Reality. I know you aren't making this up, I have seen this written in many books and articles. But I feel they are judging their beliefs on fear. Their fear being, losing grasp on reality!

[Xanth]

Nono, we're pretty much saying the same thing here... as usual.  LoL

In Tom's case, and what I'm currently working on, is what Tom calls "parallel processing".  Frank called it a Focus Overlay.  Robert Bruce calls it the Mind Split.
It's being able to work in more than one reality frame at a time.  In Tom's case, he's got it down to a precision and I'd like to work towards my own version of that.

It's about having a focused and clear consciousness at all times.  Not necessarily practicing mindfulness 24/7 (although that certainly wouldn't hurt  ), but just keeping that focused and clear consciousness so you can then "open" yourself for whatever non-physical information you require without having to go into the whole ritual of meditating that everyone tends to do.

That's my point actually... breaking the "ritual" which most people involve themselves with in regards to meditation.  Getting to the point when you don't have to "find a quiet space"... "sit down"... "breath deeply"... "focus on your breath"... it's getting to the point where you just shift your Intent towards "that state" and you're able to do it whenever and wherever you want regardless of your external environment.

[astrophlakes]

Interesting thread.  Back to the original question though, I only know of one person that can project on demand.  Have any of you guys heard of Mellen-Thomas Benedict?  He is a near death experiencer, back in the early 80's he was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, died, and was dead for at least a hour and a half, and came back to tell his story. 

Of all the OBE and NDE books and workshops I've done over the past 7 years, his voice and story ring more true than all others.  After his first cosmic endeavor after he died and came back, he can access or "go to the light" as he puts it, anytime he wants.  He says that most days the light will just grab him out of his body in the morning when he wakes up, or whenever he feels the need to talk!  And its great because he is the most-researched and therefore most-documented NDE case going  (but I still don't know why more people don't know about him, he has written books but they are yet to be published because he is always disappointed at publishing companies just trying to make money...).  He has done studies for universities where he will be given a topic that he has no previous knowledge of and go to the light and come back with answers to their questions.  Like specific things!  Not just vague generalizations about the future but very specific facts.  He has invented many things, including a new photon/electron energy rejuvenation device that replaces the electrons in your body just as acupuncture does, but without the needles!  He has also done work with Cleve Backster and Bruce Lipton. 

This guys has amazing knowledge and a great sense of humor.  I'm still waiting for his books, But I guarantee if you check out some of his radio interviews, you will be SO addicted!  He has been on Coast to Coast, Joyce Keller, Liz Millar, Scott Colburn, check out an interview, just do a search for Mellen-Thomas and you will see what I mean! 

I think the thing I like most about him, besides his amazingly positive attitude about our future, is that he can see through a lot of the "new age crap" for lack of a better term and he gets right to the meat of any subject and takes a very scientific approach to understanding the nonphysical realms, not unlike Tom Campbell.  Check it, you won't regret it!

[Stookie_]

...but just keeping that focused and clear consciousness so you can then "open" yourself for whatever non-physical information you require without having to go into the whole ritual of meditating that everyone tends to do.

That's my point actually... breaking the "ritual" which most people involve themselves with in regards to meditation.  Getting to the point when you don't have to "find a quiet space"... "sit down"... "breath deeply"... "focus on your breath"... it's getting to the point where you just shift your Intent towards "that state" and you're able to do it whenever and wherever you want regardless of your external environment.

Yeah, it's whole lot easier doing nothing. I can't believe you're arguing that meditation and other states of consciousness have nothing to do with AP, as if everyone is a natural clairvoyant. And why are you even bringing up ritual?

Have you ever experienced a profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness? I'm guessing not because you would not want to carry it around with you all day. It's hard to believe such a simple concept can't be understood by the people running this place. Not just that it's not understood, but you keep refuting it with completely unrelated Tom Campbell stuff, as always, when you just talked about getting away from ritual.

Sorry astrophlakes.

In my practice, the goal is to become clairvoyant. In this case, clairvoyance is when you can remain fully in physical consciousness and can stretch your awareness beyond physical consciousness - all while remaining grounded. But the path getting there takes serious inner work and learning about the other states of consciousness and how they effect you on a conscious and unconscious level. Meaning deep, concentrated exercises that have been developed specifically for whatever level you are at.

As you begin to experience the astral and see through the illusions and aberrations, your dream life will begin to change. At first more meaningful dreams, then more and more natural lucidity, without even trying. During this time your 3rd eye is really starting to develop. After a while, "seeing" starts to become much more natural and you find yourself "seeing" into the astral much clearer while not necessarily having to go as deep into another state of consciousness. And as you keep working on yourself, both inner and outer, that vision will become more and more a natural part of your perception and enter your daily life.

This process is years of work, especially when you're self-initiated without a teacher. I can't believe that you can get there without learning about other states of consciousness first, unless you were born a natural, which is rare. The whole point of this forum from day 1 has been to teach people to enter other states of consciousness. Apparently now all you have to do is daydream about it.

[todd421757]

This process is years of work, especially when you're self-initiated without a teacher. I can't believe that you can get there without learning about other states of consciousness first, unless you were born a natural, which is rare. The whole point of this forum from day 1 has been to teach people to enter other states of consciousness. Apparently now all you have to do is daydream about it.

I agree. The classic authors taught us well. Unfortunately, the new authors just teach these quick ways to achieve success without realizing all they are teaching is dream control whether asleep or awake.

I hope someday others will realize there are more profound experiences that are possible to attain. But it can take years to obtain. It took me 12 years until I could feel the vibrations totally in my head and nowhere else. It just happened this year.

Great post Stookie.

[Xanth]

Yeah, it's whole lot easier doing nothing. I can't believe you're arguing that meditation and other states of consciousness have nothing to do with AP, as if everyone is a natural clairvoyant. And why are you even bringing up ritual?

Have you ever experienced a profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness? I'm guessing not because you would not want to carry it around with you all day. It's hard to believe such a simple concept can't be understood by the people running this place. Not just that it's not understood, but you keep refuting it with completely unrelated Tom Campbell stuff, as always, when you just talked about getting away from ritual.

Nah, I'm not arguing any of that.  Actually, I thought that what I posted was pretty clear... I guess not.  lol

There's just a big misunderstanding happening right now between us which I'm unable to provide any further clarification for at this time.  I'll just leave it at that for now since anything else I add here is probably going to end up being misunderstood as well.  I'll try to type up with something that provides a bit more resolution in the near future.

[sqprx]

Hey guys, thanks for your posts and making this thread big lol

Xanth, Stookie_, I think you mean different things when you're talking about being "focused" 24/7.

Being focused or "parallel process" (as Tom Compbel described) all the time is a good thing, because, indeed, you don't have to waste time relaxing, breathing and locking up in a quiet half-dark room, BUT ONLY as long as you can fully control your "focus", if it interferes with your physical life and you keep walking into those poles daydreaming, it becomes a threat.

I understand what Stookie_ mean by "profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness", if you're in this state 24/7, you're in trouble, there's no way you can drive a car in this state, or operate machinery or work or function normally for that matter. You are talking about 2 different things guys...

astrophlakes, this sounds interesting, I'm gonna download his C2C interview

[Stookie_]

Being focused or "parallel process" (as Tom Compbel described) all the time is a good thing, because, indeed, you don't have to waste time relaxing, breathing and locking up in a quiet half-dark room, BUT ONLY as long as you can fully control your "focus", if it interferes with your physical life and you keep walking into those poles daydreaming, it becomes a threat.

I understand what Stookie_ mean by "profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness", if you're in this state 24/7, you're in trouble, there's no way you can drive a car in this state, or operate machinery or work or function normally for that matter. You are talking about 2 different things guys...

Thank you sqprx. It's not that hard to understand we're talking about different things. My original intent was to simply state a warning to people getting into this stuff - standard warnings most sites and guides to meditation include. The last thing I expected was someone to counter it.

[Xanth]

Ah, home!  At last. 
I've got some time, I figured I'd TRY to clarify... I honestly didn't get a chance to read your entire post Stookie.

I'm starting to feel like we just need a group hug here. Maybe it's just me.

In my practice, the goal is to become clairvoyant. In this case, clairvoyance is when you can remain fully in physical consciousness and can stretch your awareness beyond physical consciousness - all while remaining grounded. But the path getting there takes serious inner work and learning about the other states of consciousness and how they effect you on a conscious and unconscious level. Meaning deep, concentrated exercises that have been developed specifically for whatever level you are at.

^This...
This is *EXACTLY* what I'm referring to.
We're not talking about different things at all... we're talking about the same thing in different ways. 

And to connect it to Tom, because it's not completely unrelated ()... please watch this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coje-xbcn10
He describes in it what I'm referring to... and it's not limited to just "historical information". 

Being focused or "parallel process" (as Tom Compbel described) all the time is a good thing, because, indeed, you don't have to waste time relaxing, breathing and locking up in a quiet half-dark room, BUT ONLY as long as you can fully control your "focus", if it interferes with your physical life and you keep walking into those poles daydreaming, it becomes a threat.

This is also exactly what I was trying to say. 

What I mean by adding "ritual" to your meditations is... every time you need to do certain things in order to meditate, that's considered part of your "ritual" in order to meditate.  If you need to find a quiet place, sit/lie down, count breaths or any other number of things... these things we do comprise our "ritual" for meditation.  Breaking free from all that, is, in my opinion (and as I said), should be the ultimate goal (again, just in my opinion) of anyone learning to meditate.  This doesn't mean walking around in a trance state disconnected from physical reality... that's very unproductive.  I mean what sqprx mentioned above.

Thank you sqprx. 

Thank you sqprx. It's not that hard to understand we're talking about different things. My original intent was to simply state a warning to people getting into this stuff - standard warnings most sites and guides to meditation include. The last thing I expected was someone to counter it.

It would seem like we both misunderstood the other.  I'm glad we got things worked out in the end. 

[Pauli2]

In Tom's case, and what I'm currently working on, is what Tom calls
"parallel processing".  Frank called it a Focus Overlay.  Robert Bruce
calls it the Mind Split.

The Mind Split Effect is _not_ the same as bilocation.

[astrophlakes]

Sorry astrophlakes.

I was just trying to get you guys to check out Mellen, I don't know why you're apologizing to me... Mellen is kinda a hidden treasure you should all at least check out! I always looked down upon NDE'ers because it seems like they fell into the spirit world by accident or chance (which now I do not) and we OBE'res were actively seeking out these experiences, but he just has a lot of great information to share.

As far as this topic of weather or not it's a good thing to be in altered states all the time... well I think we are getting to the point now, and some misunderstanding has taken place. I don't think anyone here is saying we should be in astral awareness all the time, but that it's good to stay as close to the spirit world, as much as we can, in our daily activities. That's all. Mindfulness and higher consciousness incorporated in our daily practice. That makes sence. We're all on the same team here and I'm thankful we have each other to talk about these things with!

I love you all, and thank you all.

[nikolai]

thanks for Mellen - awesome reference, he's on youtube!

[777Sloan]

I've read a few books of people that can astral project easily...although these are generally people born with the ability to do it second hand like the rest of us might feel standing up and going for a walk is second hand. 

That said, where there is a will there is a way.  If one works at it long enough I am sure doing it on command is possible...although it would take many years I'm sure. 

[Nameless]

THIS is a wonderful topic and conversation for anyone who missed it or like a refresher.

As to the original topic my answer is no I don't. I have often had a mind split which is a phenomenal thing to have happen and very difficult to explain as words just aint enough. There are times when I can easily project with zero effort, it just happens and as has been said it is a very 'comfortable' feeling, there is no contention with this at all. But that particular energy does not always seem to be available. Where that energy comes from and how it's generated is currently beyond my understanding, I just accept it when it's available.

I know this though, if that particular energy were available 24/7 I doubt I would ever sleep. Way to fascinating!!

Thank you to all participants in this discussion and to the OP for starting it. Love

[Lumaza]

THIS is a wonderful topic and conversation for anyone who missed it or like a refresher.

As to the original topic my answer is no I don't. I have often had a mind split which is a phenomenal thing to have happen and very difficult to explain as words just aint enough. There are times when I can easily project with zero effort, it just happens and as has been said it is a very 'comfortable' feeling, there is no contention with this at all. But that particular energy does not always seem to be available. Where that energy comes from and how it's generated is currently beyond my understanding, I just accept it when it's available.

I know this though, if that particular energy were available 24/7 I doubt I would ever sleep. Way to fascinating!!

Thank you to all participants in this discussion and to the OP for starting it. Love

There seems to be a lot of "rehashing" of old topics here. It's like the way Hollywood just keeps remaking the same movie over and over again. Is there nothing new in the world of Astral Projection? I say "no".

I just finished 12 days of vending at our State Fair, like I do every year and I have to say, focus is dead. People are so hooked to their phones and social media that they can't enjoy what they are doing and where they are doing it, at that moment in time.

I can't tell you how many times while demonstrating the items that we sell, that someone put their phone, without asking, just so they could video what I was doing. We sell hand carved croaking frogs and various animal/musical instruments, that MJ and I design. We have been vendors there for 16 years now and every year I see that the ability to focus on one thing alone, is getting worse.

I have spoken to others that teach AP as well and they are finding the same thing. There are many more interested in this practice, which is good. Unfortunately many also latch on because it's the "flavor of the day" or they think it might be cool to "try it". Unfortunately, their lack of "sustained" focus and general "staying" power, leads to their failure.

[Nameless]

I hear you Lumaza. I guess everyone either reaches that place where they want to really explore or not. I sometimes see signs of people detaching from their devices or trying to at least so even that 'flavor of the day' I think one day will no longer hold their attention. Wonder what will be next.

I kind of get it though, I was that way about taking pictures once. Then one day my kids told me just put down the camera and walk away. Haha, I did and found I much prefer truly experiencing their laughter and joy to having a few (too many) photos. I now rarely even think of my camera.

I'm actually glad you are back from the fair, been missing your interaction round here. Relax a while and catch up, talk later.

Hugs

[Lumaza]

I hear you Lumaza. I guess everyone either reaches that place where they want to really explore or not. I sometimes see signs of people detaching from their devices or trying to at least so even that 'flavor of the day' I think one day will no longer hold their attention. Wonder what will be next.

I kind of get it though, I was that way about taking pictures once. Then one day my kids told me just put down the camera and walk away. Haha, I did and found I much prefer truly experiencing their laughter and joy to having a few (too many) photos. I now rarely even think of my camera.

I'm actually glad you are back from the fair, been missing your interaction round here. Relax a while and catch up, talk later.

Hugs

Just the same, it was a great thread though. It had some very good replies in it!  Things that really do have "relevance", especially now.

[Plume]

I hear you both.. it does take an huge effort to disconnect from the devices, I love listening to podcast and hearing the voices way more then looking at the short info that you find on social media. The content are mostly quotes and short lived moments, conversation are not expanded to go deeper.
I do have hope that it will go to some way that will surprise us, it could be opening doors to an even stronger desire to connect that did not existed before, human nature does for some odd reason survives the worst( kinda like cockroaches or rats)  .. and will impress us how it can resurface and create, we would not be here talking if it was not for that incredible phenomena of human nature to gather and recreates itself, Jeez... maybe its not human nature but something we don't even know   ...What could it be ?
anyway,
there is obviously some that do go out of there way to avoid these influences, we also have a tendencies to get bored of new toys very fast. I notice that it took sometimes for me to play with the Instagram and other few social media thing to only find out that my needs were getting more clear and what they are truly about in my mind as I was exploring these avenues. Still, it does take a balance approach and a conscious effort, which could be the point, becoming more conscious of where we give our energy.
Interesting topic this thread indeed...
got to go to the doorway one next and Nameless journals Now that is were there is depth and devotion , Thank goodness

first got to go to bed and should be back this week...
Tourloo

[funfire]

I pretty happy honestly, i've been able to project/phase on demand pretty well. I've been diving hard into tactile sensations and immersion and other factors to immerse myself into the non physical. Some helpful tips besides just thinking and meditate, I know you guys are talking about people being glue'd to their screens, well another good why to practice tactile sensation immersion, try literally projecting yourself into the place of the character in any show you watch, it can be useful. feel the scenario you see on the screen it can be good practice.

Some of the biggest problems im having now is, what do I want to do? literally there are so many options of doing Anything, its pretty over whelming. I've been thinking I should design a house on paper and try to memorize it and see how strong I can make it in the non physical. Do a classic sherlock holmes appledore/mind palace.

I do enjoy replaying kewl things from anime tho and other kewl scenarios like beach's forests you name it, very fun. of course i'm not just replaying things as well, but when it comes to new discoverys, its hard not to accidently get off track and lose immersion if you don't have some sort of plan, unless you have a very passive mind which can still be tough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3Jm55Abl8

[Nameless]

Funfire - Hahahahha, that was so cool. Love Plume I know you will want to see that very short youtube.

As usual Plume I love how you state your thoughts. There are a lot of people that just want to be left alone which gives me a thought for Lumaza. Those people are not likely to be the ones he would see at the fairs as I doubt many of these people visit such places often.

[Fresco]

Some Buddhist monks can do it.

When they do their self-immolation they are already OBE. They dont feel a damn thing when they're being burned alive because they have left their body already. I mean can you picture being on fire and not even flinching once??

Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wN0ayZZVHc&bpctr=1536609533