Messages

After another week of practicing these NP exercises I have found that the trick is to go with the flow.

Some days I will start with a simple 6 point focus and find that 2 of the directions are actually creating a very strong pull. Other days, I just close my eyes and await an idea. Like do I dribble/shoot a ball, or focus on NEW, or reach to the sky. It seems to change all the time.

While practicing yesterday and today I found that incorporating my breathing into the 6 point focus works very good for deeper focus as well. On the inhale I either focus on the  point in front of me, one of the sides or the top or bottom point. On the exhale the point in back of me, either opposite side of the inhale or either opposite side of the top or bottom.

After a while it becomes so natural that it's so easy to maintain for longer periods of time.

You're already able to become lucid in your dreams and phase almost at will right? Where do you find what it takes to still be so serious and commited about your development Lion? It's quite amazing to me, I mean if you create that much of a NP focus don't you get there pretty quick?

I know this doesn't sound like much but one of my most memorable experiences was in the RTZ. It was in my old apartment when I was still in college. Everything appeared to be identical to this reality. This happened very early in my explorations and I was ignorant to the fact that most RTZ experiences are rarely exact to the real place.

Experience has since told me that there were most likely many differences but I couldn't point one at the time and this left a lasting impression with me. Like I said, I know that doesn't sound like much but most people who have had many RTZ experiences can understand why this one would stick out.

Most of my experiences usually occur in Earth-like environments so I always assume that I am in on Earth even though the colors may be exceptionally vibrant.

One recent experience occurred in the ocean, or more precisely, a bay cove.  It was as night and there was a full moon that appeared to be twice as big. It reflected quite a bit of light. The water was very calm with small ripples. A small island was in front of me and it was close enough that I could have swam to it.  I remember there being one large house built on stilts and it was surrounded by tall palm trees.

Behind me, I could see many houses that were all lit up in different colors but they were too far off to really describe their structures.  My vision underwater was just as clear even though it was at night. Seahorses, about a foot long in length, were everywhere. They would allow me to get close but would never let me touch them.  They were brown in color but they had bio-luminescence abilities and would glow green as they would seemingly bounce and not swim away from me. But they distanced themselves from me all the same.

Jellyfish were also everywhere but they were about the size of a small car and were easy to avoid. They too would light up and gave off a purple glow with hints of red and green. It reminded me of sparklers on the Fourth of July (or whatever holiday that you celebrate with fireworks).

Naturally, there were fish of all colors though none were very big. I also sensed an orca (killer whale) nearby.  It always stayed just out of eyesight. I had a feeling that it was a protector or guardian of the cove and it would have tossed me out of there if I showed any bad intent. At times, all the marine life seemed to move in a choreographed dance.

Just imagine a Disney cartoon with all the exaggerated colors and you should have a clearer picture of what it looked like. I've never watched a whole Disney cartoon and it has been years since I've seen a part of one at all but they could have influenced my perception of this experience. I enjoyed my time there very much but the orca's presence never allowed me to completely immerse myself in the experience.

Great experience, I feel inspired. Thanks for sharing.

Hello friend. I just wanna say that this indeed very much attainable and at the point you find yourself in you're probably very close to actually having a full blown non-physical experience. This can a matter of just shifting your perspective from needing to "get your astral body out" to just simply phase your awareness into a non-physical scenario (which I believe at that state is probably the case) or it can a matter of actually finding another exit technique if that's what works for you.

Hang in there, you're very close. I'm sure someone experienced with SP will work out solution with you very soon. 

I find myself using binaural beats this last few days and I'm absolutely loving it! I have to say though that I don't just use it for AP, I use them for that reason also of course but there's so much potential there that I'm actually very suprised.

I used to be a skeptic about their real power to induce a significant altered state of consciouness but lately I've been using the IDoser mobile app and it sometimes just blows my mind with how much effect it can actually produce... Even if I use some of their tracks that are not at all related with AP/dreaming the prolonged use of this technology seems to have a very big, definite impact in the intensity, vividness, recall and in a way even awareness and content of my dreams. Now... This doesn't necessarly mean that all binaural beats are actually producing these effects but the recommended relaxed and meditative state required to better enjoy the BBs is now happily spent inducing sometimes an high or a pleasent experience and this may in fact (and I believe it does) contribute greatly to your awareness in general thus increasing non-physical awareness. Let's see where that takes me because I'm loving this, it takes almost all the effort away.

I don't want it to become a complete dependency long term though but well... so much for perfection, we'll see. 

[DO]

What about the concept/idea that these bodies and this entire reality don't objectively exist?
I think that's what gets me stuck.  If none of this really exists and consciousness is all there really is... then what are these energy centers beyond purely metaphoric tools?

I'm not saying that these tools are bad.  By all means use what works for you, but in the end, *I* feel it's important to realize what it is you're doing. 

For example, you're not using energy... you're using your metaphor of energy as a tool to enact your Intent to cause an "effect".  Not many people here would understand that statement.

Hence my frustration these days...

Xanth this is similar to the fact that your body is absolutely not the ultimate reality but you still need to know and consider a lot about it if you want to deeply understand and influence life here. Everything from the chemicals on your brain to the atributes of your muscular structure or your digestive system must be understood if you are to practice medicine for example and save billions of lives. Or... become a high competition athlete.

Why do you assume you go one level further into the core of reality and suddenly nothing matters but intent, belief and expectations - "everywhere"? Reality is much bigger than that, this is a consensus everyone that has been sufficiently out there can agree on, the physical is but one structered form of experience and possibly our physical reality is nothing but one of many. That being said even Tom Campbell recognizes that there are many different realities out there with different rule-sets that DO matter, there's not even a contradiction there.

I and many others have experienced some significant form and effect of dealing with subtle energies so I must agree with Volgerle, why shouldn't we be able to discuss it in a detailed manner as well as many other related topics? If not here, where?

All in all I think you're certainly someone who knows quite more than a thing or two but what you seem to lack consistently is an open mind or wilingness to go deep in discussing such matters in detail and see what people are bringing to the table in each particular instance. At the very least tolerance and respect for other people's views like you said elsewhere is key. Otherwise it just turns into a game of power between diffent ideologies in different places instead of open minded debate. When I came here I came to find more information from explorers of non-physical reality, that's it. Not non-physical reality and spiritual evolution/theory according to My Big TOE (only), there's already a place for that.

Excuse me if I'm wrong but sometimes I can't keep my mouth shut if something deeply feels unfair for one or more people. It's unfortunate but I don't mind if I have to go...

My guess is as good as yours. All I know is that people don't always talk from experience. On top of that, the internet is full of almost nothing but BS when it comes to certain things and cannot be trusted as a good source. The way I see things is that eveyone has to find the answers to their questions in a way that they do not have to rely on the internet for.

Well said AAAAA, well said. I guess this is proof of the momentum of the mind and the ego in our existence, we can't just accept the fact that we don't know until we gather enough experience and personal wisdom to make a judgment.

Just as much as some people are very drawn to other major interests and passions in life many of us also have a similar fire burning: spirituality and the metaphysical. Where we make a mistake is where we assume going around filling your head with as much "quality" stuff off of the internet as possible will really give us a big boost. It doesn't... Often the ego just grows a whole new persona and now you're different and wiser than most because you "get it" and they can't seem to. "What's wrong with them??" Lol

Anyway, the moment we start sitting with ourselves and really questioning what we truly know and what we believe or suspect, I think a good %  of the theories around the internet would lose their momentum.

However, when we choose to discuss these matters where there's still great divergence and reliance on subjective experience, tolerance for different perspectives is crucial. Otherwise it becomes a game of power like any other. Between ideology A vs ideology B etc. I guess we all know how humanity functions when that is taken to extremes, not saying that's really a danger in this circles but... food for thought?

You work on multiple levels most of your life, you just don't realize it or acknowledge it.

For example, when you're driving... you're driving and you're probably listening to the radio at the same time.  This is functioning on multiple levels and is NO DIFFERENT what-so-ever from what Tom is talking about above.

I get it but wouldn't you say there's a different potential for experience in what Tom and others describe? Because for most of us there's not much interactive potential in the levels we phase in and out of while awake and conscious except of course for those rooted in our physical life. This is more of a parallel processing than really bi-location into different playgrounds of experience like Vegito just described, I think.

I feel that probably in stating that you're trying to point out to a potential that I and others might be ignoring due to conditioning and beliefs, I'd be very interested in knowing how so. 

That's because you got that super sayan mode on. 

I personally never experienced this but a lot of people talk about by-location, Tom Campbell says that he's normally on multiple realities at once. In fact if you listen to the early TMI experiment tapes you'll see that they're reporting to Monroe while they are actually experiencing the non-physical. 

[reality]

There are also "times" for it. Social movements and superstitions create an artificial season for it. The Beatnik counter-culture of the 50's created a short burst of sincere interest in eastern thought. The LSD craze and anti-war counter culture in general generated a superficial interest in metaphysics. We had a huge range of fake channelers spring up over people's fears of something magic happening at the turn of the millenium, and I think everyone well remembers the 2012 fiasco. There is interest out there, but at times like those, it is the worst possible kind.

Unfortunately the masses want something big and undeniable to happen before they think about exploring and giving these things significant importance in their lives. Even more unfortunate is the fact that for most of us it always has to happen in reverse, first you build up your skills and then after some time you can start experiencing something significant. Even then... it's mostly subjective, that's why we have people sincerely and empiracally stand by these conspiracy spiritual warfare theories while someone else is having their own experiences and describing samsara or maya as a cycle of delusion and attachment and others yet go on about evolution in a dozen different ways. Not to forget and mention the perspective you mentioned Stillwater, that it is simply an experience of consciousness.

All in all I'm starting to get convinced that really there's not much a reality out there we humans can grasp, there's only experiences. This by itself has the potential for a thousand worlds but... reality? I don't know.

Edit: If anyone wonders, this was a late night existential rant. 

Lol 

You're welcome Francis, turns out I just finished watching it also and I gotta say it's a very colourful and emotional movie, very unique. In a general sense it's very much in line with what a lot of explorers around the world have been finding out. You go to a reality that is in tune with your state of being, you get help if you need it when you're open to receive it and the whole process of lives and afterlife is one of growing up and evolving in a structured way and beings consciously going at it from both sides. It's a good metaphor for people who are already open to the idea. Thanks again for mentioning it!

I would suggest to rely on yourself, not external sources, although I do like guides, but ultimately, you need to believe that you have all the power necessary to achieve things. Guides just guide you from time to time when needed, but they cant do everything for you. You need to be aware, and then you need to mentally apply intent, strengthen your energy, strongly believe in what you are capable of and go from there.

Sounds like a very good suggestion. Up until now I was limiting my expectations of productive interaction with non-physical realities to guides, entities who have the job of guiding us. But I'm beggining to realise that ultimately it isn't anyones job to guide us but primarly our own.

Now when you said to strengthen my energy in which way did you mean it?

Hi Micael, thanks for the welcome.

Asking for things works more often than not for me, it can be a little hit and miss and I sometimes get things happen other than I was expecting.
That's what I like though as I wouldn't want to be able to control everything all the time, it would take the exploration out of it and that's what I love.

Yes if we really think about it, it's really a silly idea to expect experiences to be predictable in realities so far out of what most of us are used to deal it. If I can somehow turn down a bit the element of randomness and stir myself in a direction of learning experiences I consider myself sucessful, the rest is the thrill of exploration which for me is really big...

Hello Francis, first of all thanks for bringing up this movie, I'm now in the process of "obtaining it" to watch it asap. 


I haven't personally experienced nothing close to hell or heaven but mostly it's a consensus among explorers that reality is far greater than that. There are many individual and shared heavens and hells. In the non-physical environments personal reality shapes the experience, in another words you mostly go to a reality that is aligned with your state of being, that is unless you are skilled enough at visiting different layers and have some business going there, for example a learning experience or providing assistance to others.

I don't think the existence of an objective purgatory is something very logical, I could see consciousness manifest that if it believes it needs to go through that in order to repent intensively for its "sins" and move on to heaven or whatever the case may be.

The best way for us to find out is to have our own personal experience. However if you're like me and can't keep away from going around studying these things join the club but for the sake of your own growth be willing to have those general assumptions and consensus evidence be re-evaluated lightly or heavily by your own discoveries. It's the best way to go. 

Welcome Sandman, you're a lucky guy. 

Does asking to experience this or that in a lucid dream work well for you guys? For me it normally doesn't but I mostly only ever asked for my guides or to be taken o them so perhaps that's not the "right" request.

Yo watup? 

Welcome Maxie 

It's just so hard for me to understand these types of dreams, except from on a surface. I've been dreaming about about a person who terrified me, he's either yelling at me in my dreams, trying to hit me or I'm so afraid that he'll hit me if I don't answer him correctly. Like in my last dream, I was dreaming that I was going to take a hand held game system to school and my sister told on me. I was begging her not too and was terrified. So I hid the game system in my moms purse, trying to get rid of the evidence. Then my moms deceased husband comes into the picture yelling at me. I knew no matter what answer I gave him, Id get hit and yelled at...

I mean out of the all the things I'm afraid of, nothing affects me as much as him, and hes not even alive anymore and I'm still dealing with all the crap ive been through with him. When I start to try and make and effort to get over it and try to make some progress in my life, It just seem to come back and remind me. It's this huge obstacle that I can't over come and it's holding me back. It's the root of my anxiety.

It's an issue that runs deep I see... I won't pretend to be able to tell you how you should go about healing a scar that big in your life. I would however recommend that you do not simply try to overcome or overpower your pain but also try to find as much space as you can for forgiveness and compassion for all parts involved, yourself included. This is essential to release some of the negative emotion that ties you to your past, of course it is often not an easy task at all but that's also part of our growth - to deal with our personal pains and traumas in the best way that we can and trust that time will bring results, because it will. Everything changes Ellury, some things play a bigger part and last longer than others but there's nothing permanent about life, you can do this. Perhaps now in your spiritual path you see that reality has a lot more to do with growth for all of us than most people assume, because of this you'll find more space to progessively let go of the wrongs that have been done to you, you know they came from a limited place of learning. On a different level but just like yours.

Also as Raymond said you can also use dream incubation to make an intent to interact with your deceased stepfather in a way that can bring some healing and resolution to this issue.

All in all don't be scared, you'll see you'll get through this and grow as a person.  

Anxiety is pretty much originated in fear so you may have a cause there.

Unfortunately (in a way) regular dreams seem to be mostly related with things that are on your mind at the moment, even if you do not realize their presence on a conscious level. A specific issue may also be acted out in your dreams in a symbolic way which you might not immediatly relate to anything relevant to you.

You could try to incubate your dreams in many ways and of course try to gain lucidity as much as you can but this probably won't deal with the problem completely. Trying to get to the root of your nightmares in order to heal and make the necessary changes in your state of mind is really your best shot. Still... once in a while these less pleasent experiences are bound to happen so ultimately do your best to accept them as they are, do not feed too much emotion into them - once you're awake, you're done. If you can learn anything from them, better still.

Man that's really something... How long will mainstream conventional science have a hands off policy to these things. 

Use her as a dream token.
Each day you recall her and imagine being wide awake with full awareness staying in the same environment you see her in.
This will program the subconcious to generate full awareness in token recognition without waking you.

Wow I actually never thought about doing that... I didn't know this technique. Thanks, I'll try it with her and also my other dream signs as they are pretty evident and recurring.

Very neat, thanks for sharing. 

I understand your reaction, what do you think about trying to communicate with it first the next time? Seeing what it has to say for itself.

My thoughts? Not much really in reference to your dream but I am sorry for what Chris Brown did to you.

Hahaha really?? Nice 

Rhianna I think you pretty much summed up the insight of your dream, you create your life, your reality. Most people here probably won't argue with that. 

Yes and for all its worth you know there's always the weight of a lifetime of intense research behind what he shares. This is why I love Tom Campbell, the depth of his experience and the scientific way he goes about measuring reality. He also normally won't answer something just to satisfy the audience so if he actually does answer, you know it's not off the top of his head. 

I could see "demons" being out there as much as highly evolved beings or helpers, I think it's a very logical consequence of polarities, and also "as above so below". Just as we have the powerless bitter old man that curses everybody in the neighborhood and tends to act violent when he drinks, you also have the powerful mafia head and his organization creating a lot of chaos in the world and the life of others as well as everything in between.

I don't know about all these conspiracy theories though, I could see a lot of use in them for excusing our often poor mindless behaviour and our lack of investment in growth and common well being. With humans caring so little for one another in all social groups I can't see the necessity for demons in order for us to be where we are. Even if they do have some influence, that I don't know...

I don't think we necessarly need more OBE's but I think we definitly need more awareness, awareness gradually brings new dimensions of our being into play. This often changes the way we perceive ourselves and others, and that's where the importance lies.

For a while I keep having the same person in my dreams. This is a girl I have some unresolved feelings with but she's no longer part of my life for quite a few months, we just parted ways in a manner too far from ideal for my liking, it was also my fault. Now that that's out of the way because of this circunstance some time ago I identified her as one of my dream signs but as it happens I haven't been as focused as I would like in my dream recall, meditation and other pratices. So much so that out of the many dreams that she was in and also some other dream signs I identified I've never really reality checked or seen through them. I'm just a little bit worried that she won't go away from my daily dreams because I can separate things but still the dreams carry powerful emotions with them that I wouldn't necessarly want in my head anymore, it's been long enough. Maybe consciousness is just using her to nudge my awareness, because she's a dream sign I identified and she's there every other night and still I haven't managed to get lucidity this way a single time. Any opinions?

Thought I would share the answer I got from Tom Campbell on youtube when I asked him about time dilation:

Every VR has its own independent clock, besides that, digital communications (small VR scenarios) can easily be sped up or slowed down. 

VR = Virtual Reality