Souly for Retrievals!

[Lionheart]

 This topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. I started having them last year purely by coincidence and we know there is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing makes you feel better inside then experiencing one of these. I have now, including today had 10 of these. One of them I am convinced was to retrieve me. We would love to hear your adventures with this as well. I will start with an incedible one I had today.
Upon awakening this morning, I went to the bathroom, got a drink of water, then went back to bed. I put out the intent to do a retrieval. So, I closed my eyes and started telling myself over and over again "let's do a retrieval". I just laid there noticing the blackness before my eyes, the blackness then went to the 3D stage and the next thing I knew a dark land mass started to take shape. It was a gloomy area, the land was pure black and in front of me there were pools of red water/lava. I thought it was water or goo because I didn't see or sense heat or smoke coming from them. I walked for a couple of feet, then came across one pool that had an upside down doll in the center of it. I waded through the red goo and got to doll. The doll's head was under the red goo, but the body was coming out, so I pulled the legs and freed it. I then realized this was my task and it was going to be a tough one. I could feel the abuse, the pain that this soul had in it. There was no facial features on the doll at all. No mouth, hair, nose, ears, no clothing, it was totally bare. I stared at the doll and a thought came to my mind, the next thing I know I am in a little girl's room with the doll. I hand the doll to the little girl. She hugs it right away. I sat down with the little girl we will call her Shelly. We decided to rebuild this doll, so we gave her hair first, then beautiful blue eyes with long eyelashes, a nose, ears, then we put a mouth on her and tried to get it to smile, but it wasn't ready for that yet. So, we settled on a slit for the mouth and gave her some cute dimples. Now I am a male, 48 years of age, so this was really difficult for me. Not to the fact of helping, but knowing what to do. The next thing we did is to decide what kind of clothing she would have. Of course Shelly picked a pink tutu with ribbons in her hair. Once we were done with the doll, we created a table, for tea paraties, a giant doll house with all the fixings.
Shelly loved her new friend, she brushed her hair all the time, had tea parties, slept with her, she treated her like gold. I needed to intensify this effect, so I created scenes where little boys came in and well boys will be boys, so they wanted to mess with her doll, but Shelly would have nothing to do with that. She defended her new friend like an armored guard.
Finally after what seemed to be months, the doll started to change. First was the eyes, life all of a sudden appeared in them. Then it was the feet, then the legs, body, arms, hands. A twinkle of the nose happened, the ears wiggled, then came the mouth. The slit finally turned into a smile. She then looked at us and said her name was Janice. and it was time to go.
She then jumped on my back, said good bye to Shelly and we were off. I saw that we were about to land on the "Island", I call it this because this is where all of my Retrievals seem to end up. As usual, people were standing in the streets, as if we were a "parade float" and clapping, We were traversing the path to salvation, I call this walk. The huge white cathedral looking building was just ahead of us. The "Welcoming Committee", I call them, came out see us. We climbed up the stairs to them, they then took hold of Janice's hands and started to walk through the doorway, I think this is some kind of portal. Janice broke free of them, ran back to me and gave me a big hug. Then it was over.
I want to reiterate again, there is no feeling in this world as good as you feel when you help someone in the Astral or Wider Reality. Today I am floating on cloud nine. My heart feels like it has grown.
On this site we learn to experience the wider reality. It is time that we try to go further. There are so many lost souls to be found over there. We need more of us to learn how to do this and I feel that learning this is as easy as creating an intent to do it. I do not share a lot of my Phasing sessions here, I have been told that I can help people to experience it, but that what I see is for me, it's personal. But I am allowed to share all the Retrievals I like with all. I would love to hear yours.
Thank you!
Lionheart

[Pauli2]

If you look at this link, there is my method and some of my retrievals embedded.

Sending PUL or just talking to the person to be retrieved helps a lot. Often you
will know by intuition what to do. I think Ginny is one of the best retrievers, so
it could be worth searching for her old posts.

[Xanth]

Lionheart is a most accomplished Phaser.  He directly experiences the realities he perceives. 

[LightBeam]

Great retrieval, Lionheart. I think lost spirits always get assistance from guides, relatives, travelers like us, etc. Those who except help, will be shown the way, and maybe there are those who's negative thoughts and emotions keep them pinned to dark places for a long time.

Here is one of my stories:
From my journal 11/05/05, and this is a post also to another OBE forum on that day. Note! I do make some Halloween remarks, because this happened right after Halloween and I love this day, always go to theme parks to check out the decorations and the scary rides and haunted houses.

"OMG , I have never thought I would experience such thing. I just woke up from this OBE.
I went out and my thought was " I want to go where I am needed" WARNING! If you guys ever give this command, be prepared starling things to happen. Well, may be not every time and with everyone, but here is what occurred after I did it. Instantly I was sucked by a vacuum going down (I was up in the air). It was like whoosh and I past really fast through few layers of the ground and ended up in a coffin with a skeleton next to me . I was horrified for those two second I spent there. I thought " Hello, Halloween is over, not a fun joke". Then I mentally pulled myself out, but while I was flying back I felt something or someone attached to my back. When I got above the ground in the light, I felt release of the pressure from this " attachment" on me. I turned and I saw an unclear, blurry figure disappearing. I mentally said, " Wait, who are you?" Then in my mind appeared episodes of an old lady`s final days in the physical world. She was ill for a long time and she knew her end was near. Well, her belief was that after someone dies, he/she will reside in their grave. She thought we were no more than a  physical body and when we die, it is the end.  Somehow after she died and saw her funeral and her body laying in the coffin, her thoughts and beliefs attached her to it and she went straight down where she thought she belonged. Then I mentally wondered "How come you stayed down there since you were aware that you can still think and exist?". She responded that she did not realize, and she felt heaviness on her chest and weakness. All she knew was that her body was dead and buried. Of course the belief of her being her body was keeping her in her coffin. I have no idea how long in earthy time she spent there. Maybe not so long, I don`t know, but I am glad she is out finding her true self. Spooky huh? "

[Lionheart]

 Pauli2 Thank you for the link. There was a  lot of useful info to be found there.
Xanth, thank you for your kind words, I have found that when you make this part of you, you have opened a doorway to discovery. As long as you keep the doorway open, you are opened to new lessons and experiences.
LightBeam, thank you for sharing, I am shocked that having someone attached to your back after flying out of a coffin wasn't enough to send you back to your physical body.Just being in the coffin is spooky enough. You are definitely a brave woman.

[LightBeam]

I am shocked that having someone attached to your back after flying out of a coffin wasn't enough to send you back to your physical body.

It seems like I have programed my consciousness somehow, maybe even by an accident, to be so attuned to the astral once I exit, that sometimes I question if I have died, because I don't return for a long time no matted what extremes I may encounter LOL

[shineling]

Do retrievals last a long time?

It seems to me that a lot of these cases might be like an illness. Maybe like schizophrenia. Someone might come along one day and cheer you up. But the next day it's back at you, gnawing at you and you're back in hell.

Maybe that's how you become a permanent resident of the lower astral levels of the universe. You get sick. And no kind of retrieval ever gets you better... So they're left there.

Gosh, that's scary. 

[Pauli2]

Do retrievals last a long time?

hmm? My retrievals seldom last more than an hour at the most, usually they are
5 minutes long with floods of impressions, sometimes less than a minute or even
seconds only.

In Earth time regards, it's my impression that retrievals can be prepared from the
other side (by discarnate Helpers) for months or even years.

Perhaps you are wondering 'for how long can people become stuck'? According to
Monroe/Moen they can be stuck for 1000s of years, but not necessarily in "hells"
at all times. Most people seldom are stuck more than a few decades.

Take for example a look at Ultimate Journey, pages 135-137, where a Neanderthal
woman waits for some kind of entity called "Megus".

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Let me first state that what I've read on the "stuck soul" issue is that most dead
people, according to the Monroe School, never get stuck. Instead they move
on to F 27 after death. It's only a minority that become stuck, some become
stuck alone in F 23 (at very rare occasions a few people may get stuck as a
very small group in F 23). Others may move on to some of the BST levels,
and become stuck there for some time with large groups of people of the
same mind.

(BST = Belief System Territories; Focus 24, Focus 25 and Focus 26)

At the Moen site, some OBE:ers (not me) have got the message from Helpers
that the whole Monroe Focus Level concept is an approximation, the real
division of "regions" in the afterlife are more diverse and complicated,
see for example Frank DeMarco's books.

Also, some people may not really get stuck, but they arrive in a state where
they have to work out their internal issues before they can move on to F 27.
Such people don't need retrievals, even if you may encounter them and they
seem to be in a haze.

It's also believed that many of us are doing retrievals in our sleep, but we
seldom remember our dreams, so most people can't know for sure. For
more info on retrievals, you may want to take a look at my link in my
previous post.

[Lionheart]

Do retrievals last a long time?
It seems to me that a lot of these cases might be like an illness. Maybe like schizophrenia. Someone might come along one day and cheer you up. But the next day it's back at you, gnawing at you and you're back in hell.

Someone that doesn't understand Astral Travel or Conscious Awareness may label this as an illness or schizophrenia. But people that have experienced it know otherwise. The physical time of a retrieval is minimal, mine are anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour. The Astral time, since there is no time there, could be years. You have to stay the course until the loop is broken or until your subject decides that they wish to move on to another realm. Your duty is to create an environment where THEY come to the realization that it is time to move on. A lot of times they are stuck in their own personal hell. You don't fear it yourself because you understand why you are there and what you are doing. You have to be crafty though, I noticed that the "Wider Reality" is full of puzzles. Nothing comes easy there!

[Volgerle]

... we were about to land on the "Island", I call it this because this is where all of my Retrievals seem to end up. As usual, people were standing in the streets, as if we were a "parade float" and clapping, We were traversing the path to salvation, I call this walk. The huge white cathedral looking building was just ahead of us. The "Welcoming Committee", I call them, came out see us. We climbed up the stairs to them, they then took hold of Janice's hands and started to walk through the doorway, I think this is some kind of portal.

Fascinating exeriences. I'm also in training to become a retriever. I did one recently in the astral although it might have been a simulation / training exercise, not sure.
Question: have you been told what area this cathedral island is? What's your conclusion? Is it somewhere in Focus 27? Is the Welcoming Comittee your guides or specialised retriever guides who agreed with you to bring them there so they 'take over' from there? So it is always the same process then?

[Lionheart]

Fascinating exeriences. I'm also in training to become a retriever. I did one recently in the astral although it might have been a simulation / training exercise, not sure.
Question: have you been told what area this cathedral island is? What's your conclusion? Is it somewhere in Focus 27? Is the Welcoming Comittee your guides or specialised retriever guides who agreed with you to bring them there so they 'take over' from there? So it is always the same process then?

I feel that the Cathedral Island may be of my design, the first place I ever arrived when learning to travel was a beautiful beach scene. I used this as my "Safe Zone" or "Launching Pad" whenever I attempted to AP. But, I never had seen the Cathedral Building there or even the "parade route" that I am constantly walking down that leads to the Cathedral Building.
I don't really know that much about Monroe's Focus 27. I read Frank Kepple's Focus Levels and prefer those.
The "Retrievers" are always the same, dressed completely in white. Sometimes depending on the severity of the person they will have a stretcher to aide someone having problems walking. This happened during a war scene retrieval I had before.
Yes, it is always the same once the person climbs on my back, I see the Island from above. I am flying towards it.
This is my War Retrieval from July 4/2011
I just finished an afternoon session. I guess I have passed my school stage for now, since I haven't seen anything recently that resembled my school anymore. I thought I would post my new experience here. This was the most incredible thing I have seen or done in the Astral.
I started my session as normal, just kind of phasing and observing. I imagined seeing beautiful fireworks in the sky, since we are getting close to the 4th of July here in the United States and fireworks are everywhere. I was weird though because due to my ailment I have not gone to see the fireworks live for about 10 or 12 years. They were incredibly vivid. So, I started seeing beautiful colors exploding everywhere, the next thing i knew I was in the middle of a war zone. There were cannons shooting everywhere, bullets flying. I looked over to my right and there was a young man, he was badly wounded and bleeding. I went to him immediately and told him he didn't need to be here. I told him there was a place where there is total peace. I then threw him on my shoulders and flew away. The next thing I know we are in front of this beautiful white building (cathedral like), I walk up a number of steps, but it is tiring. I then remember I can fly, so I fly up to the top of the stairs. There is a platform there, suddenly a number of people converge from inside that building, (I take it they are nurses, they are all dressed in white). They take him off my shoulders and put him on a stretcher, then he is gone.
Now I am not a soldier and do not like war. This man had to be in his early 20's. He was thin, blonde short curly hair. The thing that was really strange was, I could actually feel a tear going down my face in the physical when I saw him lying there against that rock. After this entire scene played out, I went back to the war zone and disabled a couple of tanks by tying their turrets into nice big bows. This whole scene seemed like I had been there for hours. When I came back to the physical I realized I was only gone 1 hour.
I know there is a reason that all of us are waking up to the Astral World now. I don't believe in coincidence. I also know that everyone travels in their sleep. But, I believe the people that have been chosen to do this awake is for a reason a bigger purpose. I am not an incredibly spiritual person, but I do believe everything happens for a reason. Whatever it may be, I am honored to be one with this ability.

[Lionheart]

 This afternoon I did a Phase Session. I was enjoying a peaceful scene with a gentle wind blowing tall grass in a pasture, the sun was shining, it was beautiful. Then all of a sudden everything fades to the 3D dark zone and I am in some kind of room looking at an open window. It is dark and extremely gloomy in this room. I feel something go past me, look towards the window and see the silhouette of a female standing in the window. It looks like she has jumped. So I run up to the window, look down and there is nothing there but darkness. I then here the door behind me open, I turn to see who it is. I can't see anything hardly anything in this gloomy dakness. After a couple of minutes I feel the silhouette pass by me to the window, jumps and is gone. We go through this cycle of events again and again, so I see that I have to stop this. When the silhouette goes to pass me again I move in the way. Suddenly I can feel it's pain. It is a female, she was badly abused by everything in life in general. This started with coming into life as an accident, this was told to her over and over again by her mother. Her parents totally resented her period. They would let her know this basically all the time. She was seen as a misfit, an outcast by all that knew her, bullied to the max. Somehow I knew I had to change all of this. But, lacked time, because she was only in the room for a couple of minutes before she jumped. First I tried to turn the lights on in the room, but after she entered the room went dark again. I then thought maybe a pet would help, but when she got to the room the dog was dead. Everything that I did to change the atmosphere or situation was immediately reversed when she reentered the room, which happened every 5 or so minutes after she jumped from the window. I tried to talk to her, but she never said a word. I then went to the window with her, grabbed her hand and said I was going to jump too, I was trying to instill guilt in her that she was taking my life as well. That didn't work either, she grabbed my hand and jumped, I went too, but there was nothing to jump down to, it was like an abyss. A couple of minutes of falling and we ended up both walking in the room together. It was like the window led top the outside door of the room. It was really strange. I tried the jumping with her a couple more times, but then started to notice I wasn't feeling too good myself. I was losing my own determination to help her. I was being pulled into her dark reality. When I saw this I knew that drastic measures were needed. I needed help as well to pull this off. She went to the window as usual, jumped and then when she got back to the door of the room and entered I had a surprise for her. I had created everyone that had ever abused her. She stopped immediately in her tracks. I then had everyone there attack her with every negative thing they could say all at once. They had her all backed into a corner, there must have been at least 12 different people in the room. They berated her as badly as they could, she was cringing in the corner, sitting there with her hands on her head trying to block this all out. Finally she blew up and cried "Stop, I can't take this anymore. Take me away from this" One by one her tormentors disappeared, the room started to go light and I took her by the hand walked out of the room, we didn't need the window anymore. Once down at the street level, she climbed on my back and the next thing we saw we were landing at the beach. People were lined up like it was a parade as they usually are here, but there was a vehicle awaiting us. We climbed in, it was a beautiful red Chevy convertable, we stood up on the white seats like we were royalty as everyone on the streets clapped. We then arrived at the most elaborate Hotel I have ever seen, complete with red carpet and everything. This was strange to me because my normal Retrievals had normally ended at a White Cathedral looking building. 2 Bellhops in red came down and opened the door for us, we walked out, up the red carpet to the main door where we were met by a very distinguished looking gentleman and beautiful woman. She looked at me and said her name was Susan and she also thank me, gave me a kiss and hug. Then the gentleman and lady took her by the hand and escorted her into the building.
This Retrieval was very emotional. I didn't want to torment her anymore but knew I had to, that this was the only way to create change. I had been abused as a child myself. When I came out of this Phase session I found my eyes were wet from my own teardrops.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
What an experience. To be able to do the rescue you became part of the loop and then went on to be part of the cause.
Thats very clever, Im glad you succeeded for your own minds sake. You went past the call of duty to save this girl.
My hats off to you.

[Lionheart]

 Thank you Szaxx, I was at the point of no return, literally. I was so involved in her dilemma, that I couldn't turn away, even if I had wished at that time. To create her Tormentors to aide me was the hardest thing I have ever done in the Astral. Like I said at the end, I know how bad abuse feels myself. But at that point I had no other choice. Everything I had tried to do to cheer her and create happiness was being reversed. I really liked it that at the end Susan was being treated like Royalty. Which was the exact opposite of her physical experience. Perhaps she was Royalty and wanted to experience the other side of the coin. Who knows!

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Lightbeams warning is really worthy of notice. Take me to where Im needed isnt what you'd expect, its wide open and biting off more than can be chewed comes to mind. You really need to think your plan of action based on your knowledge. Its a feeling of elation when successful as Lion knows from the above experience.
I guess most of the retrievals are a one on one experience. Have you been called to eradicate something bad from a city for example?

[Lionheart]

Hi,
Lightbeams warning is really worthy of notice. Take me to where Im needed isnt what you'd expect, its wide open and biting off more than can be chewed comes to mind. You really need to think your plan of action based on your knowledge. Its a feeling of elation when successful as Lion knows from the above experience.
I guess most of the retrievals are a one on one experience. Have you been called to eradicate something bad from a city for example?

Actually to tell you the truth, there was absolutely no conscious intent on my part to have these occur. Like I say in the first part, I am normally doing something else that I am enjoying, then I am bounced back to the 3D Darkness and the Retrieval begins. In the first part of the Retrieval I am getting acclimated to my new surroundings. I don't really know it's a Retrieval until some kind of event occurs.
I have to learn a lot more about the one on one thing before I get "promoted" over to the eradicating evil from a city scenario. The one on one Retrievals are taxing enough for now.  

[Szaxx]

Hi,
I wouldn't think promotion is the correct term here. We all have our expertise in our own field. Yours came to you with Susan. I wouldn't have thought the way you did for resolution. It really was an eye opener.
Eradicating the evil in a city isn't that difficult. When you can read the thoughts of thousands of inhabitants at the same time. They all wanted the same thing. So I helped them. In my way.... The dark ones were sent back to their own homeland and the rift sealed.  I smiled and then left. The place is called New Jerico so I was told. This I was asked if I wanted to do as my services would be appreciated. The two guys, one very tall and slim doing the talking the other watching me. They explained the problem and said I was indeed ready but unaware. Its a first for me of this scale at the time. I couldn't refuse the challenge, would you?
I definately smiled after that one....

[Lionheart]

 This is what I mean by the word Promoted.
Education . to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
Ever since I have began this journey I have found that it is like a "school" of sorts. Once you have learned something important you find yourself in the next stage, normally a higher stage or level. This is where a new challenge awaits. I'm sure there is no end to the teachings that can be found in the Wider Reality.

[nikolai]

Guys, I'm starting to think that we don't only play a role in retrieving during conscious acting (lucid dreaming, phasing, obe-ing), but they also take place during normal dreams (when we are not lucid, or when we might be semi-lucid).

On number of ocassions I had dreams which were very deviated from a 'normal dream' scenario (I usually record around 8 or so dreams per night at high detail so I know my dreams pretty well (the repeating scenes, themes, emotions, personalities, etc. So when anything happens which is not 'normal' it sticks out immediately)

2 examples of normal dreams come to mind:

One was a dream about a little girl. The entire atmosphere was very grey and dark, it was night time, the girl was standing in the middle of the road (where cars drive, modern time). I approached her with a 'friend' (whoever, I don't recall any detail but the presence) and we told the girl that she will have to come with us now. She said 'But what about mommy (or something like that'. I said to her ''You will see them in time, but not for a while now, you need to simply come with us now''. And she got into our car and we drove off from the scene with her in the back, my 'friend' by my side and I don't remember which one of us was driving.  = Now this is screaming 'retrieval' for me, the girl might have been hit by a car or something, the entire atmosphere is very dark/cold/hazy.

Second example a few nights ago. To cut the long story short, I am sitting in a room, again with a 'friend' being present and I can't see this friend or say anything about them, I simply recall them being there, and I'm in a high storey worn out building, everything in modern time. On the bed next to me is sitting a man in his underpants and he is seriously sad about something. I understand he had an alcoholic problem and he tells me how he screwed everything up in life (he starts telling me about how he messed up his friendship with his brother, etc). At this point I don't know what to do, so I simply put my left hand around him (I'm sitting by his side) and he starts sobbing into me, I feel his sorrow.

Oh, and another example just popped in. This was during a long phase during the day. I was in a place akin to a coffee shop and there was a girl infront of me. Her head had the shape of a TV (in a bit you'l understand why). Around us were 'people' but I could not see them, I simply knew they were there all watching us and listening to me. I don't want to pull out my dream log now, but this is in essence what happened: I was talking to her and I said that I can show her what happened by introducing her to 'them' and that 'they' will explain it to her. What I did next was to focus on her head tv and I flew into the darkness in it. Everything went completely dark. Next thing I know I felt something I never felt before, it was a feeling like I exploded, it was so powerful that it hurt and I started choking in the dream (Like I exploded into millions of pieces in this darkness). It really freaked me out. Then I returned into the coffee shop and continued talking to her. Her head was no longer TV, it was now bandaged all over. Next thing she says is that 'they' explained everything to her. Now I ask her ''Who they? I didn't see anyone? I simply exploded in darkness''. She says that she spoke to ''them''. Then I start to unbandage her head and find out she has like a kind of pipe/nail thing that went into her head. Again, this was a very long phase for me, to cut it short, this girl was seriously insecure about her head as she started telling me that she feels ugly because of her head etc (hence she didn't want to show it to me and projected a TVhead instead), and I then had to reassure her that this was not the case that she was still beautiful and so on.


This brings me onto 3 questions, that I need your thoughts on:

1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?

2. This brings us onto 2nd point. What other type of 'learning experiences' do we have out there? We know we have one type which we call 'Retrievals' and the aim of that type is to help another soul 'cross over', but what other types exist? Looking at my dream logs there are certainly different themes going on and repeating themselves over and over, with just different scenery and different 'players' in them, but the themes stay the same. I don't know what the themes are pointing towards. Any ideas what else we do in the greater reality?

3. On some phase trips somehow we know how to do things that nobody taught us or that we did not read about in the physical reality (eg: the stuff I do in some of my trips I understand nobody taught me, I simply know 'how' to do it when the moment comes (eg: I fly into people, I use other tricks to keep scenery from fluctuating or to return into previous scene and so on). On other phase trips we feel like we are just like in the physical reality (i.e. we seem to know only what we know and not more of it, this is the majority of my trips I'd say). Has anyone experienced this? What exactly is going on? Can we tap into the 'higher' knowledge and with what tricks?

[Pauli2]

This brings me onto 3 questions, that I need your thoughts on:

1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?

2. This brings us onto 2nd point. What other type of 'learning experiences' do we have out there? We know we have one type which we call 'Retrievals' and the aim of that type is to help another soul 'cross over', but what other types exist? Looking at my dream logs there are certainly different themes going on and repeating themselves over and over, with just different scenery and different 'players' in them, but the themes stay the same. I don't know what the themes are pointing towards. Any ideas what else we do in the greater reality?

3. On some phase trips somehow we know how to do things that nobody taught us or that we did not read about in the physical reality (eg: the stuff I do in some of my trips I understand nobody taught me, I simply know 'how' to do it when the moment comes (eg: I fly into people, I use other tricks to keep scenery from fluctuating or to return into previous scene and so on). On other phase trips we feel like we are just like in the physical reality (i.e. we seem to know only what we know and not more of it, this is the majority of my trips I'd say). Has anyone experienced this? What exactly is going on? Can we tap into the 'higher' knowledge and with what tricks?

According to Moen and others, the answer to question 1:

1. Yes. In fact Moen is one of the persons preferring to do retrievals in regular dreams.


For your other questions, I don't know any good answers:

2. Express and experience PUL is one thing, but sometimes I get the impression that
such a thing can best be learnt in the physical. Also, according to Monroe, it is most
valuable that we learn physical movement, move our arms, legs etc, because that
ability can later be used in the non-physical. According to Leland/Moen we can
learn to better manipulate and create stuff in the non-physical. But I'm not
sure these are the right answers.


3. This is one delicate subject. I think it is the violation of free will. Monroe mentions
that he went through "lessons" over and over again, until he managed to do the
lesson in a correct way. Each time he had completely forgotten his last time (for
example Far Journeys, pages 103 - 106). The lessons were a way of
knowing if he had developed, I think he guessed. Our actions in retrievals are
sometimes not something we can direct, but is controlled by someone else, in
Monroe speak, our I-There (observed in Monroe's second book, but didn't get
a name until his third and last book).

[Xanth]

So what you're saying is that you have access to wider reality in what people here are referring to a "dream"?  Fancy that...

You have access to what you can do in a lucid dream... you have access to what you can do in an astral projection...

Hmmm... kinda sounds to me like they're all one in a same experience then, eh? 

1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?

Since, to me, dreams are nothing more than astral projections in which you're unaware of... if you can program yourself before going to sleep to achieve a certain goal that night while dreaming, it's really no different than consciously astral projecting in order to attain your chosen goal.  In this case, doing a retrieval. 

[Volgerle]

I've had dream retrievals (although I sometimes only remember parts of it) and lucid retrieval scenarios who might have been simulations / training sessions. I am not sure if i really 'retrieved' a 'soul'. Could be, though.

[nikolai]

Thank you guys, I'l get back to the Moen's books I downloaded but haven't read yet

As I understand there are at least 3 distinct types of interaction that we face within the wider reality (whether it is via normal dreams, ld's, phase, or whatever entry method we use)

1. Retrievals (we help other energy souls to 'cross over' via an interaction with them, for mutual benefit (they benefit) and we grow via such an interaction)
2. Receiving Lessons (we receive lessons, and these I divide into 2 types: 1) lessons in concepts (eg: downloading 'understanding'), 2) lessons in techniques (I recently had an ld where i asked 'it' (i.e. the wider reality) to give me a meaningful experience and the lesson that followed was mostly about how to 'move' within the wider reality, rather than helping anyone or talking to anyone, it was pure skill based lesson - what I learnt was a sensation which I can focus on next time to faciliate the change/manipulation of the scenery)
3. Giving Lessons (I recently spotted a dream where I was giving a lesson to an audience of maybe about 4 'people' about some concept. It was a normal dream, not an ld.

I wonder how many more styles of interaction go on and with exactly what 'kinds' of energies and from which 'systems'.

The 'lesson' style dreams (the ones where we download 'understanding') seem to take a whole different context than a typical 'dream/ld/phase'. I don't know if anyone else noticed this? Its like in those dreams/sessions there is almost no scenery, no objects to look upon, just the entities (not even as 'people' but you just as 'presence') and an information flowing back and forth - like a long detailed conversation.

If you become aware of this as you are falling asleep or waking up, there will be no scenery or anything, just lots of information going back and forth from you towards others, questions and answers and so on. Has anyone else noticed that, or noticed anything different?

I also recently realised that we don't need to phase to request and download 'understanding', we can do it via a creative activity, such as writing, painting, writing poetry. Especially if the mind is relaxed. Simply throwing a question out there and silently waiting for thoughts to appear that would answer it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. I guess it depends how still the mind is, how experienced the person is. Does anyone else use anything similar to 'download' information?
I guess parallel processing kicks in with this.

Has anyone else noticed something like this in your experiences? Anything else to add?

[Lionheart]

  Nikolai, you will do fine finding your way in the Wider Reality. You will find that the Retrievals leads to many puzzles, but they also lead to personal healing and understanding. I wanted to do this thread here to help new members to this site see what is possible. You will also find that you are taught many personal things in the Wider Reality and that those things should stay personal to you. I have 2 books full of adventures, I don't share them all here because they are personal to me. I think Retrievals are one of the most unique and fulfilling things that I have experienced in the Astral yet. They occur when you are mentally ready for them and with no warning.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  

[Lionheart]

 Yesterday I said to a new member here named APtoVegas "Just wait until you are, can't really say asked, but you find yourself in a Retrieval situation. There's nothing that feels better inside than knowing you actually helped a soul/consciousness that was stuck in some way, shape or form. It leaves you feeling blissful for the next week!  

I went later and did a Phase Session. I have never explained my format before, so I will give you a quick layout of my process that I log.
                                                                 
                                                                           Date, in this case it January 8th/2103
                                                                                                                                                          Tool or aid used: in this case it was Jurgen's OM Bin Beat
                                                                                                                                                                                 : Mindfold Mask, I just bought this one because of great
                                                                                                                                                                                    reviews on the Astral pulse here.
                                                                                                                                                                                  :Aprox. 2-3 mins progressive relaxation
Starting time:5:30 pm
Ending time  :6:27 pm

Sensations: Vibrating, floating, quite a bit of vivid Hynog. Imagery, pivoting up and down sensation
Result      :Normally I write them in short form, but right now I am going to do it more in paragraphs.

A couple of minutes after my prog. relaxation and I am feeling vibrations kicking in to gear. I lie back and create my intent, this time it was to allow what is to happen to happen, with no initiating the destination. I say "By my act of will I realese my focus over my physical body. Please take me to your desired destination. Show me what i need to see. Teach me what i need to Learn".

Most likely a good 15 minutes go by now and all of a sudden I see a very vivid giant fly looking at me. He is close enough that I can view his extremely strange eyes. Ok, looks like I have passed the fear test, lol. Scene fades to black again.

Another 5 minutes pass and blackness starts to change. This time for some reason I  had forgotten my intent to not direct the scene and started messing with the visual of using a Yo-Yo. This is when I started experiencing the Yo-Yo sensation. Then I remembered I was supposed to be allowing what happens to happen, so I killed the scene and found myself back in the blackness again.

 Now the blackness was becoming much deeper and now it's starting to create a grey mist. A hole appears, looks like a tunnel. Not a tunnel, it is opening up to a view of my room again. But I am surrounded by hooded/shrouded entities. I watch this scene closely, then I see I am overhead watching from the ceiling. I can see each one has a hand on my body and I am aglow in white light.

Once again the scene disappears as abruptly as it began. But I am still in the 3d Dark Zone so I keep going, a grey mist starts to materialize again and I see I am in a room. Not mine though. The scene is still developing. I can make out a bed frame, I blast the thought, awareness now and and the scene develops.

Chained to the bed frame at the front of the bed is the form of a naked woman. As I get closer, yep, it's a naked woman alright. She is beautiful. I can see she is handcuffed to the frame. I immediately climb on to the bed to help her and see that her mouth is stitched closed. I create a key from intent and use it to open the handcuffs, they fall to the bed, but she just stays in the same position. She doesn't budge a bit. Her hands are still in the same position they were when I took the cuffs off. This puzzles me. Now I realize I am in a Retrieval. So, next I focus on her sewn lips. I start to take the stitches out, finish look at her again, now her eyes are stitched shut. Ok, what the Hell. Hm, need to think.

Then I start to understand a bit of what has happened. I think ok, speak no evil, see no evil, I take the stitches out of her eyes, fully expecting to hacvce her ears sewn up this time, but find that i am pinned to the bed and she is straddling me. She is grinding against me and now it is really hard to think. But I need to do something quick.

I look her in her beautiful eyes and say "If we are going to contine this, it is for you only. You are going to feel the pleasure, not me." She then slows her grinding down and I said "Everything I am doing here is for you. I came here to help you. You are the only important one. You are the one I am here for".

She then stopped her grinding all together and climbed off me, walked over to her closet and put on a robe. I then had her sit down on the bed and I told her " she was a slave to everyone in her life and that although it's true that this World was made for other, not self, that we have to make sure we do take care of ourselves. So we can be there to share with others, not be a slave to them.

She then stood up and I did as well, I grabbed onto her hand and we walked to her door. We left the room, went down some stairs and I saw that there was some kind of giant cabinet at the foot of the stairs. She immediately climbed into a open cabinet drawer. The drawer closed and she was gone.

Where this drawer led is anyone's guess.

My experience ended immediately after that drawer closed.

Although the entire adventure was strange, she never said a word the entire time, not a peep.

Now that it's over I question why I never left with her via flying with her and landing at that Island I always find myself at with the parades and the white Cathedral/Hotel or Hospital, which ever one it wanted to be at the time. You'll have to read some of my other Retrievals to understand that part.

I have a very strong feeling, this woman was either in a coma currently still here on Earth or was somehow Dreaming or something. I don't feel like this woman was Retrieved for a after life purpose. I feel that for some reason that giant cabinet stood for a entrance back to a Physical life. At least this is what resonate in me, doesn't make sense, but a gut feeling tells me I am right.

Thank You for listening!