How I Got Out For The First Time

[Fresco]

I wonder if we should make a thread about galactic life in general

Consider it done: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/alien_life_in_the_universe-t31181.0.html

[kurtykurt42]

Gravity would make sense of the density concept, perhaps. I'm no physicist but I've studied electromagnetism quite a bit, and I think gravity might be specific to frequency. As in, particles might only exert gravity on particles of a similar frequency. So in effect, an entire object might form on one frequency without interacting with objects on other frequencies

Very theoretical, and it wouldn't imply less or greater gravity on any frequency. I think it's what happens when ghosts phase through walls

Makes sense to me. These are the things the nice angel was telling me on my voyage to the 5th density. Although, I'm not going to go around telling people about higher planes of existence and high gravity... 

The world is flat! 

[personalreality]

The reason that the power structures on this planet wouldn't share knowledge of extra-terrestrial life is really simple.  Our beliefs and behaviors generate our experience of reality, either to a literal degree (our consciousness moves matter into the formations that we experience as life on earth) or in a psychological sense (our beliefs effect our perception of an "objective" reality thereby "creating" our world).  Unfortunately, as a species we are ignorant to this property of our existence and the "powers that be" take advantage of that, very well I might add.  They have manipulated us into creating for ourselves a very limited existence.  While we think we are gloriously free here in the states, we are barely slaves, more like lab rats.  You say, "but we have personal liberty and blah blah blah", and you feel that way because you don't know the possibilities.  Consider for a moment what life would be like here if children were taught how to use their intuitive skills from birth, or taught to have self-compassion which would grow into compassion for others.  These idealistic dreams aren't terribly difficult to achieve, there is no "human nature" to be barbaric and cruel.  We are taught to be that way.  Naturally there are some people who are more predisposed to be dominant and the current paradigm molds that into something violent and selfish.  If on the other hand we existed in a paradigm of self-knowledge (which is my definition of spirituality) that same dominant character would be molded into a benevolent leader.  Think of all the badass, greedy, gang bangers.  In truth, these people are ambitious, they have the charisma that leads people, they have the inter-personal skills to grow and expand socially.  In the right environment that person could be the greatest leader we've ever known.  But it's not like that here.  We're are in a slave camp and we're our own guards. 

What would happen if people knew that this wasn't it, that there was life beyond this planet, that there were ways of life that we've never thought of?  Our whole paradigm of reality would shatter in favor of galactic consciousness.  In an instant, all of our earthly problems could potentially be dissolved.  We would know that life is bigger than this petty stuff we battle over.  It's probably not likely because we are so buried in the brainwashing that we call things like patriotism and religious faith.  We would probably send missionaries to the aliens to convert them to Christianity.  But that's the potential problem.  Allowing us to know of life beyond this planet has the potential to dissolve the paradigm prison that has been so carefully and delicately built around us.

[personalreality]

Kurt,

It would make sense for each density to get smaller as you move up because the frequency of the energy at those levels is higher, meaning that the frequency waves are more compressed.  And, if there gravity is present it would make sense that it would also be increased, like in a black hole.  When the energy is compressed so is the gravity.

I have two questions though.  First, do you think that the increase in gravitational force would be proportional to our density just compressed in a smaller space (so the same force would just appear more intense because it's in a smaller space).  Or is the actual force itself intensified?

Second, I can't quite decide what to do with the imaginal realms.  I mean, I think that you have physical and non-physical; physical, being various density levels, potentially increasing and decreasing infinitely in both directions and non-physical, being mind.  It then makes sense to me that the realms of mind aren't individual events but a collective event.  So, is the realm of mind, the collective, the source of all energy in the density levels?  Is this collective I talk about God?  Or, is this imaginal realm somehow equal to the density levels but on a different angle from our perception?  What is it's nature?  I mean the density levels shouldn't be difficult, like you say, they are essentially our density operating on different applications of physics and mathematics (presumably more advanced, but not beyond comprehension when perceiving from that density).  But what about this collective, the realms of mind?  One would assume that mathematics aren't applicable there.  Maybe because it's the source of all mathematics.  Like using a word in it's own definition, it doesn't work.  It just baffles me.  We use this mind realm every moment of our lives, but what is it and how can we use it in relation to our personal growth and sophistication of consciousness?

[kurtykurt42]

It would make sense for each density to get smaller as you move up because the frequency of the energy at those levels is higher, meaning that the frequency waves are more compressed.  And, if there gravity is present it would make sense that it would also be increased, like in a black hole.  When the energy is compressed so is the gravity.

I have two questions though.  First, do you think that the increase in gravitational force would be proportional to our density just compressed in a smaller space (so the same force would just appear more intense because it's in a smaller space).  Or is the actual force itself intensified?

Yea, that's what I was trying to say. All of the gravity in the 3rd is compressed into a space 7 times smaller in the 4th. Many people when they die (ghosts) move into the 4th to watch their funeral and stuff.  But they can only stay there for about a week or so before they must move into the astral plane. This is also usually with the help of a guide that is supplying them energy.

Second, I can't quite decide what to do with the imaginal realms.  I mean, I think that you have physical and non-physical; physical, being various density levels, potentially increasing and decreasing infinitely in both directions and non-physical, being mind.  It then makes sense to me that the realms of mind aren't individual events but a collective event.  So, is the realm of mind, the collective, the source of all energy in the density levels?  Is this collective I talk about God?  Or, is this imaginal realm somehow equal to the density levels but on a different angle from our perception?  What is it's nature?  I mean the density levels shouldn't be difficult, like you say, they are essentially our density operating on different applications of physics and mathematics (presumably more advanced, but not beyond comprehension when perceiving from that density).  But what about this collective, the realms of mind?  One would assume that mathematics aren't applicable there.  Maybe because it's the source of all mathematics.  Like using a word in it's own definition, it doesn't work.  It just baffles me.  We use this mind realm every moment of our lives, but what is it and how can we use it in relation to our personal growth and sophistication of consciousness?

I'm pretty sure that this energy might come from the galactic center. Each galaxy may have different collective 'consciousness' energy based on the galaxies design, not the Universe, as most people believe.

The spiritual realms seem to use the chakra system to get there. We can travel internally using the chakras and explore what's inside them. For all I know the chakras could store all of the experiences you have had in every one of your past lives for the last 100 million years. Every person you have met, every place you have been to, and everything you have seen.

We are able to learn because I believe many people have incarnated here from other worlds and from higher dimensional planes (fallen angels). They have come to earth in this time to experience the whole 2012 shift in consciousness. For all I know I could have lived in the 5th density for the past million years and learned all of these mathematics and concepts there...

[Fresco]

I did 48 minutes of trance today, I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to exiting

[missym]

lol
omg, I need to finish school 

[personalreality]

missym, Why do you need to finish school?  I mean I get it, but it seems to me to be an awful waste of time and money.  I'm in school for psych and not only has studying what modern psych really is made me hate it but I've learned more about human behavior from watching people and reading books.  I feel like I'm wasting my money.  And the institution itself is collapsing.  I mean, I learn the same thing no matter what class I take these days and the testing/teaching methods are all about regurgitation not learning.  You'd do better to study what you want on your own because you'd actually be passionate about it and would learn it.  Though, if you don't want to do trade work and want to live with the rest of society I guess you kind of have to get a degree.  They should just give it to us though, I mean, I'm pretty much just buying it anyway, why should I have to sit through classes I hate where the teachers just patronize me all the time and the university wastes my money on new athletic centers and statuary around campus, while at the same time all my teachers are complaining about department budget cuts. 

I like that galactic core idea kurt.  I used to be heavy into astronomy and I was so fascinated when the super massive black hole at the center of every galaxy deal was discovered (as for what black holes may be.....maybe a physical connection between astral and here).  Then I read Jose Arguelles' Mayan Factor where he talks about the galactic core and creating a link with it (he also said the original mayans were 'extraterrestrials', I would assume then that they were higher density beings).  I have a talisman that I wear that is the Mayan symbol Hunab Ku which is their symbol for the galactic core, it's also something like the yin-yang symbol (i don't remember what it's really called).  A mayan shaman and elder told me that the next age will be without gender (as in each of the previous 4 ages have alternated female, male, female, male) and that's what the Hunab Ku's yin-yang qualities means.  Kind of irrelevant, but I'm on board with each galaxy being it's own entity in that regard of having it's own collective.

[Anemani]

^^ I am trying to focus in classes so that I can get good grades so that I have a better chance of getting into Full Sail in Orlando when I get out of high school. Well I already make average grades, sometimes above, it is just according to how focused I was at the time. ^^" I can not wait until I get to college though and finally get to learn how to do want I been wanting to know... I wish high school was more focused on our future career, or at least have high schools like that for people who pretty much have an idea what they want to do.

[Anemani]

  I am wondering because this has been happening for a few days while trying to AP. It feels like my are is moving by it self. Like I have it flat on my bed and it feels as though it is turning itself on it side then going back flat and repeats those, but if I try to see if I can get my arm out I just end up moving my whole which will mess it up and make it stop feeling like it is moving by itself, until I put it back down and it start up again. So is this my physical arm or my astral?

[missym]

missym, Why do you need to finish school?  I mean I get it, but it seems to me to be an awful waste of time and money. 

I guess I just assumed you gained all of this knowledge by completing specific courses in University/College.. If you haven't completed Uni, then that gives me a ton of relief knowing I don't have to endure 8 years and 40,000 dollars in debt to become as intelligent in this area as you are .

[Fresco]

I just went to university for the partying and getting laid, I never really learned much

[kurtykurt42]

Too cool for school. 

[personalreality]

I'm working on my psych master and I didn't learn anything that I know from school.  In fact, college is the biggest waste of time intellectually I've ever experienced in my life.  Well...if you're any kind of intelligent.  If you're a dumb butt then college will be right up your alley.  The only reason to go to college is because no one will give your theories the time of day unless your name has some variation of letters after it.  I have a better understanding of the human psyche than most of my professors.

You will need the degree if you want to have an impact on your field, unless your theory is so mind blowingly innovative that no one can ignore it.  But the sick part is, what you're really doing in college besides paying for a piece of paper is networking so that you have the right people backing up your research when the time comes.  You learn the nomenclature in college so you can speak the speak of the scientists (all people in college are becoming scientists no matter what the major because modern college is based on the modern paradigm/religion of science, even if you're studying art).  I use a lot of terms from time to time that I've heard in school, but what have i learned?  Nothing really, just a way to articulate my theories so that the other followers of the church of science will understand me better.  That doesn't mean learning has taken place.  But if that's all you really expect from college then you're straight.  I mean they say that the IQ test doesn't measure an objective degree of intelligence, it measures how well you have adapted to this moment in our society.  Abraham Lincoln would be considered mentally retarded based on our IQ tests because he's not adapted to our paradigm, he's not used to how our culture works these days.  If you wanna pass the IQ test then college is great.  If you want to genuinely learn and expand and develop your own understanding of your reality and the reality of your chosen field and be able to expand on that, then study independently.  I'm not saying don't go to school.  There are always some great professors who get it, who understand what education is supposed to be.  But they aren't really the problem, the problem is the government and their regulations on schools, the administration is ready to bow down and kiss the butt of anyone who will give them money, and they're more than willing to use your money however they please, even if that means building that athletic center and not giving your department enough money to provide scantrons or hard copies of the syllabus. 

I swear, you guys always get me fired up about something. 

Point being, I don't sound this smart because of school.  I sound this smart because I'm passionate about my interests and so I spend time studying them, thinking about them, meditating on them and trying to solve what I see as problems.  I guarantee you sound crazy smart if we find what you're a genius in.  Everyone is a genius when it comes to something, everyone has their thing that they just get better than anyone else.  I get ontology, the study of reality.  That for me includes humans and human behavior because I think humans are reality (well beings in general, but humans are the easiest subjects to study on earth).  You've got your thing.

And Anemani, you're not going to learn what you're really interested in in college.  You're going to learn how what you thought you liked isn't really anything like you thought it was.  Then you're going to change majors.  Ultimately you'll learn more on your own.  I HIGHLY recommend that when you get to college, take some of the classes for your major first, even before the gen eds.  This way you'll get a taste and be able to change your major before you've committed 4 years and 30,000 dollars.

I gotta say, too cool for school too 

Missym, if you still doubt it, Kurt learned about his stuff from 'Astral Projection'!  There isn't any school I know that's gonna teach this kind of stuff.  It seems that you'll be taught what "you get" when projecting, so keep your radar up when you project missym.

[Fresco]

Scientists would mock and never accept astral projection anyways, even if someone wanted to teach it in school.
I can just picture one of those arrogant profs with a smirk on his face saying AP is unsupported, pseudo-science

[kurtykurt42]

Before attending the University of Wisconsin I attended a technical college where I received certifications in all aspects of computer technology, networks and databases. My major at the University was Computer Science and I spent a lot of time with professors and students that where incredibly brilliant. My secondary focus was Electrical Engineering and Mathematics. Without going to college I don't think I would have spent much time learning many of the things that I learned.

Another important thing that I learned, was how to study and manage my time more efficiently. Some of the tough classes required 20 - 30 hours of studying a week. Many of the students just gave up but I decided to push on. Out of the several hundred in my freshman class, there where only about 30 in my graduating class. I'm grateful that I got a chance to study under such brilliant professors and meet a lot of very interesting and brilliant individuals.

[zareste]

if someone is dumb enough to say astral projection is fake, I wouldn't call them a scientist. They're on the same level as 6-day creationists

[Anemani]

if someone is dumb enough to say astral projection is fake, I wouldn't call them a scientist. They're on the same level as 6-day creationists

<.< so I guess that means you are calling me dumb

[owl]

Personalreality,
Have you heard of Amit Goswami? If not I think you would find his work very interesting. You can look him up on youtube or he has quite a few books out. I first listened to him on youtube being interviewed on Coast to Coast radio.

Amit Gaswami is a quantum physicist who is proving God or downward causation through science.
I think you would find some answers to some of your questions.

[Fresco]

if someone is dumb enough to say astral projection is fake, I wouldn't call them a scientist. They're on the same level as 6-day creationists

You just described 70 to 80% of all scientists there (by calling them dumb).  At least in my estimation.

Just spent 53 minutes in total trance.  The buzzing noise is getting slightly louder while my vibrations are a bit softer.
The buzzing sounds like someone put an airconditioning fan right next to me.  I can only hear it in my left ear, less so in my right ear
(maybe something to do with left-brain dominance??)

[zareste]

I wasn't describing scientists at all. No percentage

[kurtykurt42]

Are you a scientist zareste?

[zareste]

that's not the right subject. I'm scientific but not a scientist by profession

[personalreality]

owl,

I am very familiar with amit goswami and many of his works.  thank you for your consideration.

maybe I should clarify because if you think I have questions then I have failed to articulate myself thoroughly.  I suppose this issue is bigger than my feelings toward higher education.  This world has lost its soul.  When I say that I refer to the overpowering majority.  Obviously that's not everybody, otherwise what are we doing here discussing questions like this?  My point is that the people who do make advances in whatever their field may be usually aren't us.  They are usually the soulless many who either want the money, want the fame, or were told what to do.  And unfortunately their advancements are often well within the boundaries set forth by the elite who dictates how our society works.  So what has this done to science?  It has smothered it.  Now researchers spend their time studying things like "Does disgust make a person more conservative?" (one of my professor's claim to fame)  What practical application does that have?  POLITICS!  Of course.  Have you seen politics today?  It's disgusting, yet this is the kind of thing our research goes to prop up.  If you will recall, I said the majority, not everybody.  Of course there are those out there who, despite the lack of corporate funding, still set up a lab in their apartment and build a teleportation device.  But it's the people who play by the "rules" of things like capitalism, greed and "democracy" that get funding and get headlines, thus they make advances.

I mean I guess you can't expect much more than the technology of the day will allow.  But then you have people like Kurt and his pals who are doing something that our modern technology says is just ridiculous.  I'm not saying science isn't real or something.  I'm saying two things.  One, you gotta play the game if you want to get the prize.  Two, science is not static, it is meant to be fluid and ever-changing, open to new possibilities.  Religion is static.  Yet science has become static.  The work being done on the large scale these days is sooo afraid of seeming too "superstitious" so they won't touch science of the mind.

Thank you still.

[kurtykurt42]

I thought I was a scientist until I spent the day over on Neburu. There planet is a dyson sphere and they have the ability to enter various density levels.  

You have to gamble to win, as I like to say!

I bet your teachers get a kick out of you personalreality.