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Show posts MenuQuote from: Lumaza on November 22, 2018, 15:56:02
Then I will have a overwhelming urge to readjust my eyes. It could be an urge to move them that I am fighting. All I know is the urge is very strong. I slowed the process down in the last few days to understand it more and it feels like I am turning my eye sight completely off. While fighting the urge, my hands and feet begin to tingle, like pins and needles and I get the sensation of rising. The next thing I know, I am in a vast empty darkness. The depth of that darkness has changed dramatically.
Quote"Second Sleep Starter: Stop Eye Micromovements"
That wraps it up for sleep breathing. The second sleep starter is to stop eye micromovements.
During the day the eyes are searching for changes in motion. Because of this they make tiny micro movements all the time and at the end of they day they are still making these micro movements even though you may want to go to sleep.
If you close your eyes and try to keep them still you'll find that after about 30 seconds they are still twitching very slightly. It's not easy to totally relax the eyes. However if you can keep them at complete ease for several minutes the body will interpret that as a signal that the mind may have fallen asleep. In fact if you keep your eyes still your body will often fall asleep even if the rest of your muscles are fairly tense.
"Roll Eyes To Relax Them"
Before sleep, relax your eye muscles by rolling them around in wide circles in both directions several times and then letting them rest. After 3 or 4 nights of practicing this you'll be able to keep your eyes totally still and you'll fall asleep much faster.
Quote from: MarsZM on October 22, 2018, 03:31:32I remember him also saying they just don't come that often to you because they have a lot of other things to do such as processing their just ended life (review, etc.) and preparing for another life experience package. So this is a slightly other version of it than just saying it is just the LCS computer thingy, etc.
Tom has said many times in the afterlife if your loved ones approach you it's not even them. It's just the larger consciousness system giving you comfort. That SUCKS.
Quote from: Lumaza on October 21, 2018, 07:53:08
I know in the past here, Volgerle has posted a link to many "Validations" that occurred during a NP experience. Perhaps he can post it again here so that all can read it.
Quote from: LightBeam on October 20, 2018, 18:13:40
Compare the time of endless wars throughout the world with today s most peaceful times of all history.
Quote from: kuurt on September 26, 2018, 02:31:48You might differentiate between bodies (astral, physical, mental, etc.) and soul/mind/consciousness/awareness. Bodies are the vehicles you use on each consciousness plane.
It just seems to me that there are separate bodies for the separate planes. If dreams take place on the astral plane in our astral body, and the physical reality dream takes place on the physical plane in our physical body, then how did I dream from the physical body? My physical body wasn't asleep yet and the astral body hadn't separated yet, yet i still had dream imagery going on in my mind. That's all I'm saying.
Quote from: kuurt on September 25, 2018, 01:38:00I do not quite understand the equation projection = illusion. Generally, I do not think this 'illusionism' thing - which is abundant especially in a lot of new age material and speak - is the right philosophical approach. A projection is not an illusion for me, neither is a dream. For me all is 'real'.
I understand that everything is an illusion or projection. That is the ultimate truth. Time and space is an illusion. Everything in the physical and the non-physical is ultimately an illusion. All the different planes of existence are illusions as are the bodies we have in each. But to me, that doesn't explain it. We are living within the illusion, so why are we talking about it from outside the illusion? In this great illusion of life we seem to have different bodies for different planes. And if I'm just wondering how I could be dreaming from my physical body and not my astral body in the illusion.
Quote from: kuurt on September 24, 2018, 05:01:10So how could ALL dreams be OBEs?
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 18, 2018, 02:28:33I think the way you die has nothing to do how you then operate in the astral or any higher realms. He might have indeed a full body. In higher realms we do not have (human) bodies anyway since we are not human. Most people in the astral are in their 20s or 30ies even if they died much older. So you choose subconsciously how you look. In my dreams I am often younger (20-30) too.
I have a cousin that died by a large bomb in Iraq, nothing left of him, and I want to know if he still lives on in the astral. I think the best way to answer that is to see if someone who had an amputated limb still has that limb in the astral. So please if you can honestly answer this question I would appreciate it. Either way if he lives on as a full embodied being in the afterlife or is a part of the cosmic dust once again. I just want to know the truth. Thanks.
Quote from: Windwalker. on September 13, 2018, 19:40:44
And this is my point exactly. NDEers seem to actually still be observing what is going on in the REAL physical world, ie as if a ghost would. OBEs never observe what is going on in the real physical world, only a replica. That denotes a huge difference. So how can we be sure that NDEs and OBES are experiencing the same phenomenon? It can easily be said that an obe has simply accessed the dream construct. You cant say the same thing for an NDE because 1. They are observing the real physical world and 2. They are dead. UNLESS.....NDEers only THINK they are observing the "real" physical world but in truth they are only seeing the replica that we observe during obes. Im not convinced they are the same phenomenon.
Quote from: Windwalker. on September 10, 2018, 23:56:18OBErs also visit the RTZ, definitely. Many have seen their bodies in bed, me included. It was the physical and not an astral 'vision' or copy or whatever. There's also many validations brought back from the physical that exist (see my signature link).
I agree with all you wrote. My point was this: NDEers seem to actually experience the rtz whereas OBEers seem to access the dream state ie lucid dreams. So how can we know they are one in the same?
Quote from: Nameless on September 09, 2018, 08:56:25
Since when did we decide the world is fake? I keep reading statements like - It's all subjective or we create our own reality