Masturbation

[David Warner]

Major Tom,

I always wear the funny hat... nothing wrong with that heheh..

Anyways, I never thought about masturbation or intercourse prior to before projecting. This could possibly tame and curve the desire when the experience is in flight.

Tvos

[Sn0wBl!nd]

god, i hope this masturbation post doesn't turn into a sticky.. that will just be akward... haha get it sticky!!!

[__--nezabaleta--__]

What a good idea, Sn0wBl!nd..!

[David Warner]

MajorTom,

When you think about it if someone runs a search on porn, masturbation it might lead them to the Astral Pulse and get them involved vs. using the net for a cheap thrill.

Tvos

[aslegnat]

Hehehehe..another funny one.[]

Just for the record... I have no problem with the subject in its self, but when you got people talking about when, where and why...that is just too much..[]  It could be just me, but when people speak or I read something that is being described, I always get a visual..[:O]  And those are just some visuals I could do without. [^]

Nay

Well, Nay, allow us to know your opinion about this thematics. Of sure, you has heard about something known as Tantra Yoga. Obviously, arising question is: "Has masturbation anything to do in Tantra Yoga concerns?"

Another question is: "Masturbation is well know done its body relaxing properties... but, about effects on energetical profile, you advices some general guidelines in order to diminish or to enhance some undesirable or desirable energy related effects?"

ASLEGNAT

[Nay]

LOL!!  Once again, I'm pulled out of the bunch, just to be pikced on...Waaaaaaaaaa..sniff, sniff.

My opinion on the never dying Masterbation topic is...Ya'll just want to talk about sex!  And I thought that my post that you quoted explains how I feel about it..what was so confusing about that?

Oh and no I don't know anything about Tantra Yoga.. if that is just another way of talking about sex, then eh.....

Nay

[OrionsDream]

lol i'll bet there are a lot of forums that you guys can join that talks about this subject and doesnt have to be here lol.

ah but not to get on ur bad sides.. as we've seen from Nay if you do that, you seem to be pulled into many arguments...

do whatcha like  

[Marlinya]

2nd day on the forums, and of course I'm drawn to the masturbation page...

In all 11 pages, I saw some very old links, but nothing written here on how one can keep the energy from "leaking" out when orgasm occurs, so I'll say what I've gleaned from a few books on tantric sex and various other places.

Apparently, when you orgasm, energy shoots up the chakras, going right out the crown--unless you stop it. Supposedly, if you put your hand on your crown chakra (top of your head) during orgasm, it will bounce the energy back into your body. I have tried this (on the few occasions that I could remember!), and I did feel a tingling of energy, and did not feel tired at all afterwards. This is supposed to work for men too, but I've never gotten any guy to try it, so I am not sure. Maybe I'll get the chance soon!

During intercourse in Tantric sex, some practitioners are taught to imagine that energy is like a magical sparkling fluid that flows through the chakras of both partners. The couple breathes alternately: man in, woman out; woman in, man out. They are taught to visualize that this energetic fluid goes up the man's main chakras when he breathes in, and down his chakras through the root chakra up through the woman's chakras when she breathes in. I can't remember what is supposed to happen during orgasm in this particular book, but it involves maintaining the energy that is built up during sex, instead of letting it dissapate. I'll have to look up their recommendations for solo practice as well; I don't remember them off the top of my head. But I'm sure they have some method for keeping the energy.

I have also read in a different book on sex magick that you can consciously direct the flow of energy during orgasm--instead of it rushing upwards and out of the crown, you can bend it forwards at about the throat chakra and direct it in a loop over or through your head, and back in at the back of the throat chakra. This way you just create a heightened energy loop. I wasn't able to remember this one at the right time before I forgot half the instructions; I was browsing in a bookstore and didn't purchase the book--so please don't try it from these instructions, because they are incomplete and I may have gotten the specific chakras wrong.  :confused:

I hope this adds a bit more to the discussion!

[thesickmoon]

Masturbation makes you tired.

NO. IT DOES NOT.

[NickJW]

it makes my arm tired

[Nay]

:locolaugh:  I was waiting for the punch line.  

thesickmoon:  It would have been even funnier had you added to your, "NO. IT DOES NOT."  With, I'm still awake.  :woot:  

Nay  

[Wells]

My view is this.

We are spiritual beings incarnated into animal bodies.  As we investigate spiritual matters, as we meditate and develop our energy bodies, we strive to break free from the animal instincts and urges that tempt us on a daily basis.

At the root of our very being is sexuality.  Sexual energy is the most potent and creative force in the universe.  Despite the humour in this thread, sex/masturbation/orgasm is a very important topic.

I believe sex in this day and age takes on two forms.  One is dark and animalistic: Lust.  The other is pure and spiritual, born out of love between a man and a women.

Nowadays, Lust is everywhere.  It is plastered on posters and advertisements, it is along the top rack in any news agent, and it is all over the internet in the form of pornography.  There are all sorts of perversions and fetishes.  There is rape, there is paedophilia, there is homosexuality.  In my opinion these are all dark, they are all simply animalistic perversions.  And what is the result of all this?  It it now more common for a marriage to break down.  Adultery is at a record high.  The family unit is breaking down.

When you get sexual thoughts and the urge to masturbate, this is Lust.  Don't kid yourself.  What do you think about when you masturbate?  You think of an attractive women/man.  You imagine yourself having sex with them.  Some people use pornography to help with this.  This is Lust.  And when we masturbate, we are feeding it - just like feeding gluttony by eating.  We are slaves to our animal instincts - anybody that tries to abstain for even a week will realise this.  I know this probably seems extreme, but let go of any beliefs you already hold, and take a step back.  As you pump away with your wrist/arm in front of pornography or in bed, does this seem especially spiritual or pure to you?  Or does it look like an animal feeding its urges?


OK the scientists say it reduces your chances of developing prostate cancer, but in my oppinion this is just a statistic.  
I believe cancer is the symptom of severe spiritual/psychological problems, something you have buried deep within your mind that manifests as this destructive disease.  I don't think anybody can develop prostate cancer simply from not masturbating/having sex.

As I said before, the sexual force is extremely powerful - and it must go somewhere.  If you don't masturbate, you have to do something else with the energy: you must transmute.  We have all heard of the Priests molesting the choir boys - and jokes aside, this actually happens.  It happens because the Priests don't do anything with the sexual energy inside them, and it manifests itself negatively.

So what can you do?  Well, the only technique I've used to raise and cultivate this energy is a breathing exercise (pranayama), called Ham Sah:

Sit/lie down in a relaxed position, like you would with any energy work.  

Take a long deep IN breath, and internally pronounce a long "Haaaaaaaaaam", whilst visualising energy rising from the sexual center up the spine and to your head.

On the out-breath, you pronounce out loud a relaxed and pleasant "Sssaaaaaaaaaah" whilst visualising this energy flowing from your head down to your heart chakra.

That's about it, pretty simple and easy to do.  It's quite similar to one of Robert's full body energy circuits.  He also instructs one to raise energy up the spine to the head then down into the heart or subnavel.

Personally, I can certainly notice an improvement in my levels of awareness and ability to meditate when I have abstained for some period of time, whilst doing this transmutation exercise.  My thoughts are clearer, and I generally feel much more balanced (mentally and energy-wise).

Of course you are still going to get attacks of lustful thoughts, but if you resist them and medidate on them you see that they are just that - Lust!  The Ham Sah exercise will help relieve these urges.

OK, I'm tired now!


Let the flaming begin, hehe.

[thesickmoon]

:locolaugh:  I was waiting for the punch line.  

thesickmoon:  It would have been even funnier had you added to your, "NO. IT DOES NOT."  With, I'm still awake.  :woot:  

Nay  

It wasn't a joke. It's like this: I wanna go to sleep, right? But then I'll start thinking about Jan Crouch or some other televangelistical hottie, and then BANG! I've gotta masturbate. After I'm done, I'm wide awake regardless of how tired I may have been before. It's no good. I hate it.

[thesickmoon]

Take a long deep IN breath, and internally pronounce a long "Haaaaaaaaaam", whilst visualising energy rising from the sexual center up the spine and to your head.

Sorry, can't do it. Sounds too much like "Han," as in Han Solo. And I can't masturbate to that.

[Nay]

:locolaugh:  I was waiting for the punch line.  

thesickmoon:  It would have been even funnier had you added to your, "NO. IT DOES NOT."  With, I'm still awake.  :woot:  

Nay  

It wasn't a joke. It's like this: I wanna go to sleep, right? But then I'll start thinking about Jan Crouch or some other televangelistical hottie, and then BANG! I've gotta masturbate. After I'm done, I'm wide awake regardless of how tired I may have been before. It's no good. I hate it.

Well, mine was a joke.  

I still say ya'll just want to talk about it because you get some kind of thrill by talking about it on a public forum.  Now that wasn't a joke.

Nay

[Souljah333]

i'm sure i'll end up sorry for not reading this entire post (first), but adding some cents just the same.

one thing i find bizarre is how westerners read a few books, threads, etc and feel justified to give advice when it comes to something as deeply mysterious as tantric sex. i'm not attacking anyone here, but you can't just put your hand on your head when you climax and think that's gonna accomplish anything.
the energy is made to be released
it can be stored & utilized
and folk who 'really' practice tantric sex don't masturbate.

the point is "not" to climax at all. anyway...the point i wanted to make was that it's a 'complete' way of living that involves many practices. you can't suck down sodas, eat garbage, zone out in front of the tv, drink and party and all that jazz and ever obtain total control over your chi. has everything to do with purification of your body & soul, but i feel that's self-explanatory.

as for masturbation being a lustful sin, or some animistic perversion. pretty much true for the most part...but there's nothing stopping anyone from 'making love' to their 'self'. in this...it's not the actual act, but more & more what twisted, degrading things turn people on.
i think it has a lot to do with complacency, apathy, laziness & dependence...that people arent' working hard enough, and not getting a pure sense of 'satisfaction' from their everyday function/performance. also in relation to caged animals that when bored begin obsessively grooming, pacing, masturbating, etc.
bored animals become habitually deviant in their behavior.

not sure my comments had anything to do this thread!?!
but what the hell.
soul

[nanook]

releasing sexual enery regualary is important so I don't waste my lucid dreams on ****ing every 2nd dream figure, but rather have the concentration to play mindgames with them like "who are you, wtf are u doing in my dream? know where my soul hides?" also, in sleep paralysis i won't be visited by succubi. not that there would be something bad about beeing layed by them, but it's a waste of time, spiritually.

[NickJW]

really? masturbation makes you awake. It ususally knocks me right out after I'm done. I do it to relax and get in the right tiredness state before Projecting as well.

[Jazket]

Believe me that once you reach a higher state of conscience, you will not want to masturbate anymore.

It is like when the baby grows up, he does not need his Mother's breast anymore. But it all takes time

[Nay]

LOL!!  I'll stay at my level thank-you. :peace:

Nay

[Jazket]

LOL!!  I'll stay at my level thank-you. :peace:

Nay

That clearly shows how attached you are to the material... But whether you want it or not, the day will come when you will have to get over it as an obligation. Cause we have a goal, and that goal cannot be modified, not even by God himself.

[Nay]

I wouldn't say that was material.  Why in the world would I need to get over it?  And what is the goal again?

I'm sure God doesn't mind people masturbating or he wouldn't have given us the ability to do it.

So, whats your beef about masturbation?  You don't practice self love so no one else should?  I just love it when people preach about such things.

Oh...a joke is trying to come forward in my memory and I can't quite grasp it.  Perhaps you've heard about it.  Something about men in Hell masturbating..grrr, wish I could remember that old joke, it's pretty funny. :demon:

Nay

[Wronski Feint]

This is the best thread, EVAR!  

Why does masturbation have to be a spiritual experience?  Why cant people just masterbate cause they are horney?  And you release energy when doing pretty much everything.   I think masturbation is being put on a pedistal here.

[thesickmoon]

So, whats your beef about masturbation?

Nay

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[Selski]

Why does masturbation have to be a spiritual experience?  Why cant people just masterbate cause they are horney?  

J'agree.  Beautiful...just beautiful.  

Sarah