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It's definitely different for each one and how you visualise it. It is the interface of your choice then. I also believe due to my own research that you can access akashic knowledge simply through questioning the Void in the right way. It does not mean that you 'are there' but just that you have a way to retrieve it, just like to query a database and get sth back in words, images, concepts, or entire 'rotes', etc.

By the way since it is mentioned in EV's post, I also saw the Hospital (or 'Temple of Healing') as a Cathedral like structure, much like the Cologne Cathedral or the Cathedral Familia Sagrada in Barcelona. All with beautiful parks and gardens before it.

Okay, then I misunderstood that kick-relax-thingy. All good again.

12/12/19: Daytime session. First too much monkey mind, but after a while I got into it deeper with a few hypnagogic flickers and also could play again with the energy around my hands/arms. Notable event: Near the end of session I asked telepathically for the guides (retriever team, nonphysical side) to register with me physically if they 'see' my efforts and 'listen to me', so I have support from them. I got shivers as a confirmation. Note they are not vibrations but rather goosebumpy sensations. I see them as a communication tool by guides or Higher Self. (Another tool by the way is a twitch in the left outer thigh for a 'yes' and the right for a 'no'. Does not work always but sometimes it did.)

Been to a library area but I'm not sure if it was THAT Akashic Records. I suppose it was in the Human Culture Zone (even The Park / Focus 27 perhaps) of the higher astral (according to the author and teacher Kurt Leland it is already on a 'mental' plane since I asked him about it back then). I was there in the 'medical' department due to my interest in becoming a healer / naturopath back then in 2010.

Good news: The daytime exercises get better. I get faster into a relaxed state and maybe even a lowered one (even slight hypnagogics set in, but still enough in control and witnessing it). I also am faster with activating the energy body sensations with feeling the 'magnetic pull' or energy field around my fingers, feet, legs and arms or whatever I focus on and move/wiggle.

(Personally I already added my tree-hug-technique because I want to project with it again like I did once in the past, but I don't want to derail the thread or the normal slow progress with it now).

I am on vacation now, so plenty of time to practice at daytime, too. (Still will use Wb2b too at night). Excited to go on. Also resumed my book again and called in the helpers for assistance.

What I do not understand is the 'kick-back-relax' topic. After a while, I mean when lying down for 20-30 minutes or more, this is not healthy and completely and against the rules of ergonomics physiology and orthopedics.

It is good for short relaxation when you stretch a little but if you lie down like this with your arms 'up' and behind your back/neck you are definitely bound for shoulder aches very soon. I think you need to get in a physiologically 'normal' position when you lie down for a longer while. This is not the way, shoulders should then definitely be 'down' and 'hanging' because this is the physiologically normal position where the orthopedist or chiropractic talks about the zero-mode or -state (any deviation from this by twists, turns, up/down/side bends of your limbs and appendages are then expressed by percentages, the less physiological the higher the percentage). So I really do not understand this. It is not apt for longer meditational activity in my view.

Infinite Regress ... lets us humbly know that we don't know.

What is behind the behind -and what is then behind that behind that is behind.

And so on.

I don't know.

No human does.

Definition of human (one of many): "Not knowing a frickin' thing for life." 

Let's live gracefully with uncertainty.

Just wanted to add that it also was NOT my first doorbell (sometimes also knocking on the wall) experience.

Tonight no mentionable occurrences. Will post if sth happens but I am set to do at least one session per night and one per day. (Energy work is good anyway so any effort is never a 'lost' cause for me).

No apologies needed for your interesting story. Yes, you maybe right that many of us here are also helpers in the physical, maybe sometimes by our sheer presence and energy on this plane (see Dolores Cannon's message about being antennas for change) or by our actions too. I still long to be a non-physical retriever/helper too and that is why I am trying to learn every day to project better and more regularly, and so I do here.

One reminder though for the training or teaching: Please keep in mind that most of us do not a bathtub (phase/soak) session but use the normal mode of lying flat in the bed instead. So anything that works better or 'only' with the bathtub should be excluded or at least adaptad for the 'normie' mode in bed. Just saying.

I will write short-logs with this process here in this thread but to keep me from repititions I will only mention new occurrences or remarkable changes (e.g. I always feel the ether/energy body when focussing or running or even 'wiggling' fingers, and won't mention it again, etc.), WB2B (after sleep) or a daytime session is still important though for distinction, so here we go again:

Session 07/12: WB2B (2nd session/bathroom break): I was thrown out or even 'startled up' during the exercise by the doorbell ringing. Well, the interesting thing is it was the doorbell (low buzz) of my old flat where I am not living anymore (the new one has a high bell) since October. LOL. There is no other physical explanation for this sound. So the conclusion is that was a non-physical sound. Two interpretations (or both apply?): 1. dweller-on-the-threshold kind of experience where we are 'scared away' somehow by someone or our subbie-self to keep us from entering NPR in lucid conscious state, or 2. my own metaphorical / sensual interpretation that "someone" from NPR was arriving and announcing themselves in order to meet / communicate with me (hopefully a friendly being)

Okay, I will also log a little here with bullet point style, giving dates since my sessions might not be one per day or night:

Session 06/12: as WB2B during night time, affirmations and then the energy work, so far eventless except I felt the energy body here and there, hands tingling most, but that is my normal mode anyway, wiggling motions I tried and energy body seems responsive, I feel it a bit, then maybe fell asleep also by rolling to the side when giving up somewhat (I'm a side sleeper, when on my back I can't fall asleep unless I'm dead tired, so this is then always a direct method for me- more or less)

Session 06/12: not as WB2B but daytime meditation: after focusing on different parts of my body felt energy around and in me, my hands are always activated anyway, also felt the little etheric finger going up and down and sideways when I 'moved' it deliberately, then also in-between fell into hypnagogic scenes seeing some people interact with each other and heard voices, some random sentences that usually are out of context like we get it from the hypnagogic "M-band", I did not fall asleep though and got up from hypnagogia again, but later it seems I did indeed shortly fall asleep - so I had a little involuntary nap then, which is unusual because 1. (as said above) I don't sleep on the back and 2. never take naps deliberately during daytime

Most of my Phase sessions won't appear as a RTZ experience. Many of them seem to take on more of a Akashic record locale/mental projection or some kind of Retrieval based experience. Especially when I go and open "doors", as in using my Doorway technique to explore.

This actually would have been one of my issues or questions or suspicions raised. An 'etheric' exit would naturally lead to an etheric projection which is normally into the physical/RTZ zone. Or a lower (astral) layer? So how would we use this if we were intending to project to higher realms/planes (mental, etc.). (For retrieval work, at least when you start in the 'low astral' it could work fine though). But I see you gave already part of an answer.

Once I used a technique where I hugged/touched a tree with my arms and found myself projected before the tree in the garden of my home but not the current version of today where the tree is no longer there. It is usually the childhood version (in the astral I suppose).

Regarding the foot and hand alternation thing:

Is it possible to also already combine the left/right feeling with an etheric movement of the hands?

So this would be
- feel left hand
- feel right hand
- move left hand to left (etheric)
- move right hand to right (etheric)

Or similar.

Lumaza,

As a mainly 'etheric' projector who has to do it this way becaause he sucks at phasing visualisation (I told you before) I am all for etheric techniques. I also call it kinetic or tactile techniques but I assume we would mean the same here.

Regarding the forum software I recommend you type it in a word processor in html-mode first or even in your local email program (html), then copy it over. Don't forget to click on save in-between amounts of written text of course or you will have the same problem if it crashes.

Yes, sometimes this dinosaur software here does not transpose the formats correctly (you remember I had this problem with my long Void article regarding the formats and pics) but since you write mere text I assume it should work without problems.

While we mostly agree on things here I still disagree a lot to your rather dualistic view on direct / indirect methods with the placing of Wake-Back-To-Bed solely into the indirect basket. Actually WB2B can be both however you choose to use it. At least that's my take on it.

As I said before, WB2B for me is not a technique/method but a strategy for priming your mind and body just like meditation, medication (not recommended) or even your bathtub and water is.

So you could do the preparation with WB2B (best for me after 3 hours) and then try a DIRECT method like you teach or describe it (etheric, Doorway, whatever) or an indirect method like waiting for a lucid dream to 'happen' (if lucky) or wait for a projection opportunity when you wake up again slightly from a kind of half-sleep (would be hypnopomp state then as opposed to hypnagogia).

WB2B for me is also not necessarily staying up long but just using my normal bathroom break. I hate full bladders at night so I get up a few times (3 or 4) anyway.  

So I would try whatever you propose, just after 3 hours of sleep because then I am 'primed' better. Therefore I'm looking forward to your write-up of your etheric method although I think I already know some of your concepts because you wrote about it here and there in pieces already on the Pulse.

So please get cracking and fire away, my friend!  

Just don't expect too many too early responses since it might take time with trying what you suggest and also as a forum with some 'elder' members too you might know we basically operate on a longer reaction span anyway, fortunately it's not Facebook here.


Moreover, your post on the Pulse won't go away since the Pulse does not go away - I hope - So let's take our time, shall we?

Sinera/Volgerle

Yeah, definitely stay far away from Facebook when it comes to this subject.
You simply can't have a meaningful discussion there without vast quantities of slag being tossed around.
It's quite a verbally violent platform. 

Only second to Twitter which is even worse. 
Someone also likened to reading public toilet walls. Seems fitting.

We had a thread once (don't know if here) about Blue Cheese aiding in lucid dreams and similar. Tried it but did not work for me, but who knows for whom it might work.

I believe we all project 'through' the Void state all the time to reach other planes / realities / dimensions, whatever. It's like a net or grid that permeates all of reality.

Excellent replies all to a very deep thought provoking question! All I can add to this is that William Buhlman's workshops today are based on this entire topic. He teaches people how to be "aware" at the time of their transition, so they can don't get lost in the shuffle, per se.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS3ZVoK8oAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy1-0wbRJpY
...and there are many other videos to be found on YouTube where William is talking about this very subject.

As stated above by others here, no one is going to know what happens for sure until we have transitioned over fully ourselves. All we have to go on is what we have been shown via our own NP I like EV's suggestion to "practice". It never hurts to be prepared!  

"Higher Self Now!" - that's one of his mantra-trademarks (next to "Awareness Now!" or "Clarity Now!" "Higher Level Now!" or "I'm Out-of-body Now!"). 

Think about NDEs, altough we could argue that you are not 'really' dead then.

Still ..., most of them ar not in a unlucid dreaming state, actually I did not read any account that said so (and I read many from books and online sources). Most are highly lucid.

What Robert maybe talks about is the many people who are confused after death and end up in the lower astral as they are bound to earth and attachments, or some that also end up in BSTs. They are indeed many, but not all.

I hope I will NOT be one of them (and I am NOT good at meditation honestly).

I think I never read that Bedekin thread, thanks, will check it out.

Yeah, I got my first success with Buhlman's book, so maybe I got it from there then too.

And I remember the 'etheric' technique also from Buhlman's book well with going around in your room and touching things described there. I could give this another shot again although then I might have an etheric instead of astral projection. This was indeed the case back then in 2009 when I projected etherically into my room and flew to the ceiling, looked down on my physical body and then just went back again.

It was a 'heavy' experience I love to remember.

Now to the techniques. Bedeekin's "pre nap" technique that Volgerle spoke about above works very good. But only for a few times. After a few times, your system gets used to it and for some reason it doesn't work anymore. I find that many times techniques you do will only work for so long before you are forced to find another way or another focus target. Other people here on this Forum have found that to be true as well.

I agree that every technique/method wears off after a while or does hardly work at all. This is why I am always somehow a 'beginner' again trying other and new methods that hold up for me at least for a while. So far have not found the 'perfect' one but maybe it does not even exist at all (for me).

However, I don't see Wake-Back-To-Bed as a technique. I also was not aware of former Pulse member Bedekin posting it as 'Pre-nap' but rather referred it to Albert Taylor's book "Soul Traveler" because he coined that very name iirc. I suppose Bedekin also got it from him somehow.

I see WBTB as a strategy especially suitable for beginners, that is why I always recommend it to them and as said: to myself when I reboot my 'AP career' after a long dry period because it really is the one that seems promising to get your 'first' OBE despite the fact that it all wears off again later on. And honestly, so far it seems the only thing working for me after all. 

WBTB is thus not a technique for me but more of a done preset / priming / preparation strategy regarding the timing of when you do it. (Lumaza, that's a bit similar to your strategy of 'soak sessions' when you let in the water for the bathtub). Techniques is what follows then for induction and 'exit' when you lay down again (which in your case would e.g. be energy work and/or your Doorway phasing method combined).

But okay, hey, I'm a nitpicking nerd, I guess you know that already.
 

I feel like working with my spirit or higher self would be better.

Sounds good to me. I do it most of the time.

Are guides just my higher self taking different forms?

Seems possible or even highly likely to me.

So my main problem is I don't really know what to do after I relax. I can't seem to reach the vibrational stage where I feel any vibrations in my body no matter what I do! At least that's how I feel. Do you have any tips? Should I choose one way (only affirmations for example) or mix them? It's like laying on the floor totally relaxed waiting for anything to happen but nothing happens.

Hi Max,

First of all, what I was taught by a guide once in a 'cut-the-crap'-lesson (as I later called it) is the fact that you do not need to wait for vibrations. That is what most beginners think. You might already be earlier in sleep paralysis (mind awake body asleep) state and thus be able to 'climb' or 'roll' or 'phase/teleport' out to an astral scenery or your bedroom (or an overlaying astral version probably) without experiencing symptoms like vibes.

During that teaching the nonphysical guide was actually laughing at me a little when I was lying there and waiting, before she then just grabbed me by my (astral) wrists/arms and dragged me out/up. I had these helpers quite a lot in my early times of learning AP (about 2009-2011) but later I was all alone. So I am now.

So maybe, as a AP beginner, you could ask for a 'helping hand' from your guides if you dare so. Normally they should hear you.

Since during exit phases you most likely are in the Dark / Void you might not see them first or not even afterwards since they can stay invisible to you later on, but you need just mentally ask for being helped and it might work.

On the other hand, well, I know many don't like or trust this method since you do not know what or who is really grabbing you then. And I understand that, it takes a bit of courage and trust that the helper will be there.

Anyway, still the lesson is valid: do not necessarily wait for any 'vibes' or other symptoms but try it first alone to get up/out or phase.

Another tip would be the time of day. You say you also tried in the morning a few times when you try it but it is not clear to me after how many hours of sleep. Also in the evening, did you sleep before trying to induce AP?

Many (also here) have had their first and then also constant success with the so-called WAKE-BACK-TO-BED technique (although it is better called a strategy than a technique):

Try sleeping (normally!) for 3 or 4 hours, then get up for a little while, some even stay up for half an hour but I do not find this necessary, for me I use my usual bathroom bladder emptying break at night and go straight back to my place of rest.

Then you are in a right physical state and somewhat 'primed' for success because too sleepy is not good and too awake also might rather make you fail. Use your alarm clock if you do not automatically awake after 3-4 hours of sleep and then give it a try. Lay back on your back after your short (bathroom) break and try whatever method suits best for you.

Greetings from Germany,
Max

Greetings from a fellow German. (You can guess my first name by my nick here). Nice to have s.o. from my country here.

Has anyone been able to obtain verifiable information from Akashic Records?

Thanks

I question the Akashic (or whatever it is) via the Void state and a simple yes/no (green/red swirls/colours, plus some occasional sound and imagery too) protocol and have received numerous verifiable and trustworthy info bits (often also in pieces to be put together as a whole via several sessions), well, at least in my view, LOL.

I know this is not really 'exciting' for many people but for me indeed the excitement lies in the fact of trustworthiness as opposed to many other infos we get during the more exciting 'normal' projections or methods like channelling, divination, hypnosis, remote viewing, mediumship etc.

Just my opinion formed in many experiments with/in The Void - and thus based on personal experience. Check if you like my "The Void" article also on this forum (warning: it's quite long).

I am interested to know if the practice of astral projection could cause in some persons´ daily eartly life mental or phisical problems derived from some kind of dissociation from daily reality, for example causing at some point involuntary out of body experiences, making losing control of acts.

Thanks

For me this puts the cart before the horse.

Vice versa seems more common to me. People with mental issues or diseases (whatever the source really is) have often access to 'other realities' simultaneously and cannot distinguish and if necessary disconnect and be 'grounded' in 3D physical life anymore or enough.

So it is not that you actually 'practice' it by starting out as a beginner/adept with a sound mind and get mental but you are already in a state where it would be advisable not to try astral projection.

We had similar threads here of newbies asking if it is recommendable to learn AP when you have this or that (depression, schizophrenia, borderline, anxiety disorder, whatever) and normally the advice given is to not do it at all but settle all your issues first and then do it with a sound mind and body state.

Hello All!
I am new here and I want to say that I am very pleased to meet you and find a forum dealing with Out of Body experiences and Astral Projection, with people sharing knowledge.
My first post here is about one of the astral subjects I am more interested in: the possibility of verification of astral projections.
Have you verified some of these experiences, or have you got some information, or known some entities about whose reality and accuracy you could be certain?

I am very interested in all your experiences.

Thanks

We have a very old thread on here, but please read this link to a verification collection which is even better:

https://astral-blog.weebly.com/blog/validations-for-obe-english

Inspiring as always, dear Lumaza. I also watched the Leland talks and probably saw it already but I feel motivated to watch this one again now. Also I like your door method with Focus 27 on it, will give it a try in the coming nights/sessions, too. I already had the intent to go to this area again (esp. the reception centre for the helping work) but so far failed recently. It's been years since I have been there (library, healing temple), so I still know what if feels like. Gosh, I miss it.

You are also right that one has to be committed and more adamant with the affirmations. I haven't been either because I had other 'issues' and my affirmations were directed at these, even for the night (e.g. self-healing, manifestation of physical life goals, etc.).

I want to continue my retrievals and then also my book on it which I do not write for money or fame purposes but first to inspire others to do/learn AP for retrieval help and secondly honestly because I love (book) writing and especially about these topics. The book was already started since last February and the outline and content seems very promising to me. It will be a combination of two good things for me. Wonder why I ever stopped but I have so many other 'projects' and 'issues' distracting me although the good ones of them are also worth the time. Still, I will get on track again (editing my book in another browser tab as I write this  ).

Thanks for keeping me and others motivated.

I really do want to have my first retrieval episode, should I just continue how I am and be well in heart and mind or should I be pursuing it if it's something I really want.? Should I let it happen when I'm ready I will allow it, or should I focus on looking for someone in agony and despair and try to help the best I can?

Retrieval 'business' is (also) organized from the other side because non-physical helpers / retrievers usually guide the process. That is why I call the job we do from our side as astral projectors work as 'retrieval helpers' (or even 'retriever helpers' since we help not just the retrievees but the non-physical retrievers). Therefore you could do the following: Ask the retrievers to 'enrol' you in the program.
I did this via prayer, affirmations, mental shout-outs before sleep. What I then got at first over the course of some days/weeks was some very clear signs in dreams and as synchronicities in waking life that showed me that I was 'accepted'. These were very unmistakable messages and even quite astounding ones I can say. Then I really had two retrieval experiences. That was in February. None after that but that was not due to 'exmatriculation' from my part but rather because unfortunately my ability to project has vanished again due to the usual dry period in connection with heavy physical life issues. So I recommend to do the affirmations then wait for these signs and then you will know your application has been 'accepted' and you are 'enrolled'.