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 71 
 on: March 25, 2015, 16:08:28 
Started by Tongo - Last post by IsayWhaat
Well in regard to your lucid dream I really wouldn't worry about the 'reality' of it all. Some of your experiences may be super real and some may be grainy black and white images. That doesn't necessarily devalue them in any way if you got something useful from it. For example, I did a focus 15 meditation on the train to work several years ago and I got just vague impressions and seemingly intuitive information on a past life. I couldn't really say if I saw any real images or was oob but I did some research afterwards and I found this specific person existed and information about where he lived and when he died checked out. On the surface the experience could have been equated to my imagination if I scored it in reality points but the value of the information was incredible. It served to remove certain belief I hold that restricted my spiritual growth.

There are other threads here that debate what is deemed 'real' in the non-physical that may be good to look at. Also try not to judge your experiences from what you read in books where they seem to have these incredibly lucid accounts. Remember they only print their best stuff. I'm sure they have many more experiences of being partially sighted and unable to get off the bed.

In regard to your ungrounded ness in waking life I'm not sure what to say. All cliched stuff really. Get enough sleep, eat balanced. Meat is a good grounder. Especially red meat. Sometimes mince beef burgers are given to people with strong kundalini symptoms as it is a good grounder. Do you use brainwave entrainment technology? Binaural beats etc? Some of them are not great quality and can leave you ungrounded. I have an article and grounding and some techniques I can mail you when I get home. Not sure how useful they will be though

Uh, no I don't use any of those things, I heard about binaural beats but I can't sleep with music on so it would only disturb me. Never tried tho.

I don't think I need techniques, I need more understanding about what being grounded really means. I'm not judging my experiences, I'm judging my inability to say what makes me being conscious right now more than being in the dream state. That clear line that separates conscious in dream state from conscious in real life is currently unclear to me. I need more information about it so the article would be pretty good place to start with.

I guess it might seem weird how I cannot understand consciousness the way you do and you start questining the reasons behind it, but I just feel like I'm missing out on a part and I want to have a complete puzzle in my head.

 72 
 on: March 25, 2015, 14:40:13 
Started by Tongo - Last post by Stillwater
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I wouldn't be surprised if a number of people get into OBEs as a means to escape their lives of sorts.

I find this to be true as well.

I want all people who come here to find assistance reaching their goals.

At the same time, a huge percentage are probably coming here because they are bored with life and want to find a way to bring more excitement to their existence.

Almost universally people seem to find that in this current existence our meaning will be found here rather than there. Gaining skill in projection is an oddly round-about way to discover that. Sort of like a singer who picks up a musical instrument, only to learn they are actually meant to be a singer above all else musically.

The Egyptians got it wrong I think. Our life here probably isn't about preparing for what comes next. We wouldn't be here unless there was a very significant reason to be precisely here.

 73 
 on: March 25, 2015, 13:49:52 
Started by Tongo - Last post by floriferous
Well in regard to your lucid dream I really wouldn't worry about the 'reality' of it all. Some of your experiences may be super real and some may be grainy black and white images. That doesn't necessarily devalue them in any way if you got something useful from it. For example, I did a focus 15 meditation on the train to work several years ago and I got just vague impressions and seemingly intuitive information on a past life. I couldn't really say if I saw any real images or was oob but I did some research afterwards and I found this specific person existed and information about where he lived and when he died checked out. On the surface the experience could have been equated to my imagination if I scored it in reality points but the value of the information was incredible. It served to remove certain belief I hold that restricted my spiritual growth.

There are other threads here that debate what is deemed 'real' in the non-physical that may be good to look at. Also try not to judge your experiences from what you read in books where they seem to have these incredibly lucid accounts. Remember they only print their best stuff. I'm sure they have many more experiences of being partially sighted and unable to get off the bed.

In regard to your ungrounded ness in waking life I'm not sure what to say. All cliched stuff really. Get enough sleep, eat balanced. Meat is a good grounder. Especially red meat. Sometimes mince beef burgers are given to people with strong kundalini symptoms as it is a good grounder. Do you use brainwave entrainment technology? Binaural beats etc? Some of them are not great quality and can leave you ungrounded. I have an article and grounding and some techniques I can mail you when I get home. Not sure how useful they will be though

 74 
 on: March 25, 2015, 03:12:21 
Started by theswearjar - Last post by theswearjar
ive bin practising these few tichniques for a few weeks now and have noticed some great benafits to the state of the body and mind once achieved.    i was wondering if anyone on here has ever heard of these techniques before, and if so what has bin your experiences with it so far. noticing benefits i mean

http://www.prem-rawat-bio.org/kecharimudra.html

once you can get your tounge back to ur uvula ive noticed it instintly stills your mind (but that could just be me)

http://www.nine3.com/DeerMan.html

and if anybody is interested in learning more about the deer exercise you should check out the book tao of sexology by stephen chang, its quite a interesting read.

im not sure if this is the rite place for this topic so if its not  feel free to move it  grin

 75 
 on: March 25, 2015, 02:51:50 
Started by Shane150495 - Last post by theswearjar
are you sure its lucifer and not andrew dice clay......BOOM!!!
but in all seriousness what ajdin and xanth said is the best advice take a break and ground urself bak in reality and stop gettin wrapped up in ur head
best of luck to u  smiley

 76 
 on: March 25, 2015, 01:57:08 
Started by AJDIN - Last post by IsayWhaat
This is so deep I can see Adele rolling in it.  grin

 77 
 on: March 25, 2015, 00:51:55 
Started by Tongo - Last post by IsayWhaat
Being fully conscious is being fully grounded in the physical. When people are depressed a part of them doesn't really want to be in the physical so they are quite ungrounded and usually slightly out of phase with the physical. A simple example would be when you're depressed you may be dwelling on the past or be fearing the future. Being conscious and grounded is partly about being in the present. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of people get into OBEs as a means to escape their lives of sorts.

The outdoor activities you do are very grounding. You are very correct in thinking being fully grounded will help you with OBE practice. It makes the difference more pronounced. For example, there is another thread about simple OBE method utilising sleep deprivation. Obviously a very ungrounded way of doing things in which the veil between physical and non-physical starts to become unclear. Not a healthy way of approaching this stuff. When I teach stuff for TMI we emphasise the importance of being grounded to help you go further in your explorations. I use an elastic band as an example. when it is not flexed that is waking consciousness. When it is fully stretched that can be focus 21. If you are ungrounded the elastic band maybe semi-flexed. You may think you're back in full waking consciousness but you're not really which means the next time you go to focus 21 it is unclear for you. If you are fully grounded the boundary between waking consciousness and focus 21 is more pronounced which makes reaching it easier every time you try.

This is my first time hearing about focus 21, sorta googled it out, I understand it enough to understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm going out, just walking, running, touching helps me "check reality" to become more conscious because I don't feel like I'm being conscious enough.

What I bolded. That. Can there be other reasons why I feel so ungrounded? I think because I don't feel conscious or grounded enough in this reality is why I can't go and experience a real astral projection.

What happened last night: I went to bed normally and sorta fell asleep. I woke up and realized I was in this semi-dream state, paralized. I figured I can go lucid, but no normal exit technique works for me. I somehow switched on my belly and literally swam through my bed and walls to get outside the room. And there I was, I would say floating, not flying next to my house. I checked around and it seemed like everything looks like in the real world. I decided to go check on my friend but his street was covered in snow. Which is obviously not right, because it's spring. I gave up on visiting him, I figured it won't work because my "memory is outdated". (I didn't visit his house for months now since winter and for some reason, I thought visiting him wouldn't be realistic enough as I want it to be.) I returned to my street and wanted to check if my body is on my bed. I entered the room and saw myself lying on bed. This really uneasy feeling went through me for seeing myself and suddently I started seeing weird expressions on my face. It was like watching egzorcist. When they are exorcizing the demon, that kind of face expressions were showing. Quite scared and shocked I left my room and something happened. I have no idea, I just remember thinking I went full astral. So, I woke up, called my buddy to say what happened, damn was the waking real except it was a freaking false awakening. So, after explaining to him what happened I left the room and slowly lost awareness. After that, for real I woke up like 4 times, everytime going back to sleep so I have no memories of what happened when I thought I went astral. I'm surprised I remember this much.

Point is, after I woke up, I realized it was a dream, it didn't feel "real" enough to be OOBE or Astral projection. And right now, I don't feel awake. I'm touching this keyboard right now, writing and I focus on what I'm typing, but as few moments pass I forget. Almost as it wasn't real and I know it was, cause I'm still typing. What happened 10 minutes ago seems unreal, like it never did. Things that happened in past seem unreal. If I didn't have scars I would think I made them up.

I need to get fully conscious or fully grounded in the physical, but I don't know how. And I know if I can do that, I will be able to do anything, any projection with a little bit of effort. How do I do it? How do I get grounded completely?


 78 
 on: March 24, 2015, 23:31:44 
Started by nerofaora - Last post by no_leaf_clover
If you're going to interact with people in the non-physical then you may as well try to "feel" or "sense" them in a way that allows you to understand them without language at all, similarly to how a lot of animals already interact with each other energetically in the physical.

The only reason people can't or won't already do this in the physical is because we can't seem to sit still to observe someone carefully enough without our own thoughts and feelings clouding up our minds.  Nonetheless I've had many experiences of knowing what people are thinking or feeling in the same way that you know the grass is green, just by looking at it.  The closer you are with someone the easier it can be, but emotions especially are pretty universally expressed in humans and you can read them on strangers as well.

 79 
 on: March 24, 2015, 21:17:30 
Started by Shane150495 - Last post by AJDIN
I also once had a projection come up around my forehead of a document that he looked like he was going to burn he acted like he was my next door neighbour for a few weeks training me with some sort of mind battle of terminology, we shout boom at the end of our terms and it would make popping sounds in our mind he was very tricky with this random training sometimes making sense the other time using Latin to preach darkness to me, what i did was shout boom with my mind and his body on the projection would disperse in some sort of clear wave like a spirit, after i did that i got blasted with illuminational energy that created a huge vibration on my body and mind also creating three very visible blue dots infront of my forehead moving around in a strange motion, i could also see a vibration of blue colours above the sea when i ran out my flat I jumped for joy around nature thinking i was going to die, using all my might of light thinking any comment on this?

An all powerful being, someone who can bend energy, distort your mind/body connection.... burns a piece of paper? paper? Think about it...

Your in conflict with yourself, do less of this astral stuff and go outside more

Always consider that you can be wrong

 80 
 on: March 24, 2015, 21:09:07 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by AJDIN
*face palm*

All i have to say is... Always consider that you can be wrong

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