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 on: June 23, 2017, 22:50:43 
Started by Bloodshadow - Last post by Bloodshadow
that also was my first thought as well that this was some sort of test and it was inspired by the Cheshire being, I do hope to know the results of how I did, or if I even did the right action, but this experience was 4 years ago, I never did run into him again, but then again I haven't been out in such a while, and the few times afterward I did get out still never saw it again.

 on: June 23, 2017, 21:41:06 
Started by Amyla - Last post by Nameless
Welcome Amyla, you appear to be well on your way. I can only re-iterate what's already been said at this point. You'll find your way and we are here to help where we can.

 on: June 23, 2017, 21:35:21 
Started by Bloodshadow - Last post by Nameless
This is very similar to some of my own experiences. As Thomaos said above I also think the 'Cheshire' entity inspired the rest if the event. In my own experience the name of the entity that equates to your 'Cheshire' is Chester. (How odd)

I've come to see him as something akin a trainer/attendant/partner in crime. LOL
The purpose seems to be only to see how you respond and/or to see how others respond to you. While there are lessons we can learn from these type experiences it seems we aren't the only ones doing the learning.

 on: June 23, 2017, 21:00:43 
Started by LordNezazor - Last post by Subtle Traveler
What is real in this context? Helps to know what the goalposts of the question are... because I can think of senses in which it is both real and not real!

YES! (goal posts is a great metaphor or euphemism for "context")

There are a few things that I have heard the non-physical repeat over and over ... and one of them is this ... "the better the question, the better the answer".

So ... a well defined context (e.g., goal posts) gives a better answer. And ... a non-physical experience when well defined and presented in a solid context will provide most of the answer to most questions following the experience.

 on: June 23, 2017, 20:27:29 
Started by LordNezazor - Last post by Xanth
It comes down to this...

"What is REAL?"

Real is anything you can experience.  If you've experienced it, it's real.

You can experience living beyond the confines of this physical reality.  It's real, because we can experience it.  Smiley

 on: June 23, 2017, 19:09:43 
Started by LordNezazor - Last post by mkj
I've astral projected very briefly after self-induced sleep paralysis. That should have been enough proof for me. Then I once asked for help getting out of my body and was literally shaken/pulled out of my body by the ankles, but I couldn't see what did it. I haven't doubted it since, though it's been a while since I've ap'd

 on: June 23, 2017, 09:44:17 
Started by LordNezazor - Last post by Sammie
I believed it was real before it happened and therefore it happened after a while.

 on: June 23, 2017, 06:01:52 
Started by LordNezazor - Last post by Stillwater
What is real in this context? Helps to know what the goalposts of the question are... because I can think of senses in which it is both real and not real!

 on: June 23, 2017, 03:49:40 
Started by Isobel - Last post by Lumaza
 A progressive relaxation technique would do well here. It loosens all the muscles before you attempt a shift in consciousness. You could make sure to pay particular attention to the head/neck and shoulders. Those are normally tightest anyways.

 To do this you begin at your toes. Stretch them and then relax, do that a few times until you finish with the relax part, then move on to the next thing, being your feet. You don't have to stretch each area though. Just focus there.  Continue systematically until you end at the top of your head. For further relaxation you can even go "above the head".

 When I do this, I use mental affirmations. EX: My toes are relaxed, relaxed, relaxed, my toes are relaxed. I then continue affirming each part of the body that I am targeting my focus on.

 At first it took about 15-25 minutes to do just one relaxation session. But now I have it down to 2 minutes. I cut the stretching part completely out of my routine, simply because in it I had to move the corresponding body part for real, which when you are attempting to AP, is a "no-no".

 on: June 23, 2017, 01:58:43 
Started by Isobel - Last post by Isobel
I started doing my AP work in my indoor hammock, and it's the closest I've ever gotten to having an out of body experience in six years. Last night I started rising out of my body, and I was half way out, when my neck tensed up. Does anyone have any pointers on how to relax the neck completely?


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