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 71 
 on: August 26, 2016, 07:40:50 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by luffy28
I also wanted to ask what is meant by being asleep?

In almost every book (from Monroe to Robert Bruce to most of the books I've read on astral projection) the author says your body needs to be asleep.

A lot of the time I lie in my bed but my mind is in a very day dream like state. While my body is if it's actually asleep. Is this the condition the authors talk about.

Or is it actually being physically asleep?

Thanks.

 72 
 on: August 26, 2016, 06:08:31 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by funfire
Robert is right about when we go to enter the lottery it does change the outcome if your were not to enter it. This makes me think why would this happen? I tend to believe that If we were to win we would be winning money ancestrally. However this money in return would be a huge change to your life in many ways. This then becomes now that we have all that we could probably want I believe we could lose out on the obstacles that help us grow. This I believe could be affected by your higher self helping us move in the direction that we should be heading.

Now I'm not saying money wouldn't be a bad thing to have but it could drastically change the outcome of your life for better or for worse. It could be looked at as giving a child the same amount of money the child would probably spend on toys and other comforts of living so he will never have to face any obstacles or grow from his materialistic experience. I'm not saying the child wouldn't be able to grow but it can be a hindrance in many ways.

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 on: August 26, 2016, 03:20:52 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by Nameless
Hahaha, well I almost won the lottery once. I just picked 6 numbers and prayed to the lottery gods to let them be picked. I played the same numbers for weeks. Then one week I was late and didn't get a ticket and of course MY numbers all came in. I spent the entire night boohooing over the loss of my share of 127 million dollars.  huh angry cry sad sad sad

Took years before I would even buy a scratch off after that.

Having said all that and reliving my grief for a moment rolleyes I think the lottery is one of those things that can't very well be controlled simply because it applies to the masses. It's not something you can put on a simple personal level. I don't know if I'm making myself clear so let me give an example..

If your intent is to feed your family then that can happen in a variety of surprising ways. It's a need and it's personal and food is all over the place. On the other hand the lottery is generally thought of as a one winner for the jackpot or two or three and everybody is vying for that. For every 1 person that wins millions don't. Though it's a lot of money it's only one lottery. Okay maybe that makes sense.

So it's kind of a battle of wills (?).

 74 
 on: August 26, 2016, 02:46:51 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by luffy28
I don't care if they're a cult.

As long as I can learn ap from them.

I've seen reviews of the book and people said they astral projected with it.

How is he supposed to hurt me if he can't see me.

Also I just need to talk to people who've had success with ap.

Other than that I need a book that is free (low on money) that I can learn ap from and successfully astral project.

Does anybody know any techniques from him other than the heart technique?

Thanks.

 75 
 on: August 26, 2016, 02:01:09 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by RobertForsythe
I had fun because I was with other people.   I was able to talk about ap.   I had lunch with them.   I had good times.    It was a long time ago when I did the courses so my memory is a bit foggy.   I remember in the course we were taught Beezlebuub said imagine a noose is hanging around your neck.   When that happens you will be up in the next level.   Later I thought about it and I was not impressed.   I thought if you imagined a noose around your neck it would be awful.   If you became aware that a rope was chocking you how could that get you up into a next level.   

That reminds me of the story about a disciple who was asking his Master questions at the village fountain. He asked, "What do I need to do to attain Liberation?" and the Master immediately grabbed him and plunged his head under the water. Soon the disciple was struggling and then thrashing violently trying to break loose. Just as he was about to pass out the Master yanked him out and he sucked in a huge breath of air. The Disciple yelled, "What did you do that for?!"
The Master replied, "When you desire Liberation as much as you wanted a breath of air just now, you will be able to begin".

I am thinking the "noose" analogy was meant to instill a sense of urgency.

I have been among followers and members of quite a few cults over the decades. One thing I have noticed is that, as a group, many cult followers tend to make more progress in the early stages of learning than individuals who simply do a little meditation and a lot of reading. A couple exceptions would be the HareKrishnas and the Moonies, who I generally found to be rather clueless and often zombie-like.

I am curious what your sense of the level of knowledge and/or attainment of these followers was... ?....



 76 
 on: August 26, 2016, 01:25:42 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by Astralsuzy
I had fun because I was with other people.   I was able to talk about ap.   I had lunch with them.   I had good times.    It was a long time ago when I did the courses so my memory is a bit foggy.   I remember in the course we were taught Beezlebuub said imagine a noose is hanging around your neck.   When that happens you will be up in the next level.   Later I thought about it and I was not impressed.   I thought if you imagined a noose around your neck it would be awful.   If you became aware that a rope was chocking you how could that get you up into a next level.   

 77 
 on: August 25, 2016, 20:14:35 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by RobertForsythe
I've always felt that people's egos get in the way of seeing any true numbers.

I remember Tom Campbell saying something about this... playing around with it...
He said (and I'm paraphrasing) that every time he looked for the numbers, got some, and played them... he wouldn't win.
Every time he looked for numbers, got some, and DID NOT play them... the numbers would win.

There's a lesson of Intent in there somewhere.

The way I heard Campbell tell it was that there was a psychic who was very talented and could perform amazing feats to show his ability. He made about 5 lottery predictions that were sealed and locked away and then opened after the drawing and he got all five exactly correct. After this he decided to actually play the numbers and he lost.

The moral of the story was that you can alter the probability field of future outcomes and influence the PMR (physical matter reality?) to some small degree but not usually in a big way. Small adjustments in future outcomes a short time out are doable but major life-altering events with long term implications are *very* difficult to influence -- bordering on all but impossible. The virtual reality rule set does not allow for this.

 78 
 on: August 25, 2016, 19:25:36 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by RobertForsythe
Forget beelzebub.    Perhaps I should not say that.   I am not helping.   There are better ways than beelzebub.   I did his courses years ago.   I stopped going as I found out it was evil.   I should have known.   His name says it.   It is up to you what you do.   Just my opinion. 

Astralsuzy, what did you experience that made you conclude it was 'evil'? (Other than the name... I'm wondering because you also said you had fun...?)

Szaxx, How do you identify a path as being "of the Left Hand"?

 79 
 on: August 25, 2016, 18:52:29 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by Xanth
I'm still lost.   huh

Oh well... you don't get anywhere nice by knowing where you're going!  Cheesy

 80 
 on: August 25, 2016, 18:11:17 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by Szaxx
This is known as the 'left hand path', it's not worth following as there's more to it than you realise and you may not like it.

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