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 71 
 on: January 29, 2015, 17:03:37 
Started by Lost soul - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
To be honest I've not found much in the way of modern books that your going to be able to have access to that are going to be very helpful. Part of the problem is your understanding of how the universe itself works. You have to learn to see things differently. These shadows are coming from you ... not from the outside. Divine light will break the shadow's hold on you. You have to go within and open to that light in order to find it. It's not something that is outside of you but is deep within you.

When I first started training I had been attempting to do magical evocations for years. I worked very very hard and consistently without having much in the way of results.


Then when I discovered a way to directly talk to spirits and hear their responses to me I contacted one of the greatest magicians that ever lived. His work is still the gold standard today in magical circles. He told me this. The greatest power in the universe is love. It is the power by which you came into being and if you live by that power nothing can overcome it. Exploring within learning what that power is and what it is not. is the key But to do this you have to empty yourself you have to lay aside your beliefs and preconceptions. Everything you know everything you've learned and focus totally on that inward exploration.   When I did this I was physically healed I was emotionally healed. I found the All and I found real love and real power.

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 on: January 29, 2015, 16:53:00 
Started by patrickman288 - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
Don't go off with the hallucinations. You'll fall asleep if you do that. Part of your mind is dreaming. You need to refocus and go deeper at that point.

 73 
 on: January 29, 2015, 16:51:03 
Started by soki - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
Your focus is on sensations. That is what is holding you back. You have to have unbroken focus on moving your consciousness into focusing on something other than physical. Don't worry about your trance depth. Just one thing needs to be there focus inward until the environment changes.

 74 
 on: January 29, 2015, 16:49:10 
Started by Rai - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
Ignoring physical sensations is not a bad idea. There is nothing that can hurt you. Focusing on sensations will pull you away from the astral focus.

 75 
 on: January 29, 2015, 16:44:53 
Started by Avatar1996 - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
One of the things you can try which I found to work much better is the inward method. I wrote this up. It's on a sticky but I'll go over it briefly here. I believe ( not everyone agrees) that projection is actually an inward event. The sense of being away from your body is because when you completely focus on your inside " self" your actually in an unrestricted infinite environment. In any case it's a much easier way to project.  Basically focus inward towards your heart relax and keep going until something happens. The challenge is that you fall asleep at a certain point. You've been trained to do that all your life. As you practice going inward and not falling asleep you push that line back. Eventually you find yourself away from the physical.  There are no exit signs ( these are illusions anyway)

I tried the methods your describing for years and they didn't work. It wasn't until I figured this out that I was able to do anything. I don't really practice projection for it's own sake but have specific spiritual goals when I'm doing this. Phasing or projection is a side effect of the meditation I do.  Honestly projection itself is kinda of like having a very vivid dream but I found that using some the techniques in trance induction which is essentially self hypnosis to be very helpful in working towards spritual goals.

Self hypnosis is a good area to study when your looiking at learning this skill. I'm a big fan of Edgar Cayce and he actually wrote quite a bit about astral projection. His method is very close to mine. He was able to do projections while maintaining a small part of his consciousness in the physical. and he was able to do it anywhere and multiple times a day. He didn't have the internet only a little book on self hypnosis and was able to help thousands of people with the skill.


Here's the detailed instruction on that.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/bluefirephoenixs_method_projectionphasing-t45428.0.html

 76 
 on: January 29, 2015, 13:30:57 
Started by Xanth - Last post by floriferous
Nice thread. I like to look at it this way...

There is only one thing you can say definitively about you own reality, "I am having an experience in the present moment." That is the only thing you can't argue with but you can only say it about yourself (am I wrong? Can anyone think of another?) Every other facet is debatable. For example, I don't know that anyone else truely exists. They may be my imagination as with everything else . After all, what we perceive is just electrical signals interpreted by a brain (apparently). So truly all a person can say is I am having an experience in the present moment. What that experience is I don't know.

So based on this logic reality can only be where our awareness is focused in the present moment. Whether that be watching tv, visiting the akashic records or tripping balls on magic mushrooms. All of these are having an experience in the present moment. That is where your consciousness is focused in the present. So that is real. That is reality.

Also like to quote frank Demarco who said if something effects change in me is that reality? Makes pretty much everything reality

 77 
 on: January 29, 2015, 11:04:25 
Started by Xanth - Last post by Stillwater
Yet another language issue I think.

I understand what sentiment people are invoking when they say "it feels more real". The fact that "reality" doesn't admit of degrees, and that nothing that is experienced could be unreal asside, what I think people are talking about is the hierarchy of realities. Most realities are not "base" realities in the sense that they are grounded in the substrates of another reality.

For instance, take the computer game example that Tom likes a lot (and for good reason)- the computer game character's reality is dependent on and grounded in our own reality. There is a one-way direction of that dependence. Mario depends on this reality for his own reality, but this reality doesn't depend on Mario's reality (thankfully).

I think this is the concept people are expressing when they say that... that they have discovered that our current reality is lower on the dependence hierarchy chain by temporarily living outside of the illusion.

 78 
 on: January 29, 2015, 10:55:38 
Started by soki - Last post by skeptic
Hi Soki ,
When you are in a deep trance (getting visuals or sounds or whatever) and your limbs are jolting ( sudden phantom movements) you are very close to exit .
The parts of your astral body are getting loose and at this point you have two options. The passive one is just ignore it and keep doing your exercise (visualization)
do not get excited do not try to control anything just do your visuals and let the separation take place. Whatever happens   do not get excited! That is the key!
Trust the process completely. You can't do it wrong if you let the process go. The second option is aggressive one which i am not a big fan of since it requires for you to shift your focus to phantom movements and to perform so called phantom wiggling technique description of which you can easily find on any astral forum.
I am not a big expert on the subject and have little experience ( started projecting more or less constantly only since last December)  and the reason i am responding to your post
is that no one else did . English is not my first language so we are in the same boat. What i feel is that your main issue is you are trying to control instead of letting go.
IF you have any questions i ll be happy to share what i know. Good luck! You are almost there !         

 79 
 on: January 29, 2015, 10:13:58 
Started by Avatar1996 - Last post by Avatar1996
I have always wanted to have a successful astral projection. The first time I tried it, I used a YouTube video to guide me. It worked... sort of. I experienced rapid heart rate and I could feel myself floating. However, I was told I experienced an early exit sensation. This also happened my second attempt. After that, I've never had an experience again like how I just described. The most I felt was vibrations. I tried using a different YouTube video... nothing. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what may cause this? Am I doing something wrong or are there things that I should be doing?

Thanks!

 80 
 on: January 29, 2015, 09:32:33 
Started by patrickman288 - Last post by soarin12
These are typical hallucinations one experiences during trance leading up to projecting. (OBE, LD, AP) -  These three are all the same state -non physical, so there is no practical reason to differentiate.  It just confuses things to do so.

If you can keep calm, ignore the hallucinations, and keep a soft meditative focus, you will eventually loose awareness of your physical body.  Then you can either perform an exit technique or just stay put and you'll find yourself in a non-physical environment.

You became aware of the hallucinations because you woke yourself up a little (removing the ear buds) while your body was in the process of falling asleep.  That's what projecting is all about - staying aware (awake) while your body falls asleep.

Best to practice this after a few hrs. sleep instead of when you go to bed.  You'll be too tired to stay awake throughout the whole process at bed time.

I used to get some pretty crazy hallucinations before I projected, too.  Not so much any more -they died down with experience.   Best of luck with your practice!   smiley

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